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Re: Traffic on fedora-maintainers (Was Re: The community has lost control...)

On Sun, 2007-06-03 at 15:36 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> On 03.06.2007 15:17, Jesse Keating wrote:
> > On Sunday 03 June 2007 02:48:35 Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> >> Well, see all those discussion that happened when ACLs were added, kjoi
> >> introduced, the freezes were introduced and bodi put in place. Sure,
> >> there are always discussions, but all those were quite worse and there
> >> was a lot of confusion afaics... Don't read fedora-maintainers for a
> >> week and suddenly you are not aware of how to build or push a package.
> > So without reading the mailing list for maintainers,
> A low-traffic fedora-maintainers-announce was requested multiple times
> as some contributors mentioned that fedora-maintainers is to noisy for
> them. Some Red-Hat-engineers blocked that so long and hard that people
> that wanted it got frustrated and didn't drive that idea further in the
> past months.
> Like it or not, but for some people fedora-maintainers has to much
> traffic; so they just skim over it and easily miss important announcements.

The problem is that -maintainers was supposed to cut down on the traffic
from -devel.[1]  But a lot of people end up posting there because they
think it'll be lower traffic and thus be seen, thus discussion ensues[2]
and then it's too much traffic.  Unless that changes, an -announce list
is going to have the same problem.

It's a sucky problem, but I really don't think more lists is the
answer :-/  Instead, better and more consistent use of our existing


[1] Which it mostly does...
[2] And some of the discussion ends up being the badly needed
clarification on a change and so people would have to wade into a thread

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