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Re: f7 images for mass production

On Saturday 09 June 2007 03:14:22 Axel Thimm wrote:
> I think every golden release will start with some more or less severe
> set of bugs which will shortly after be squashed and the updated
> release will be far more reliable than the golden one. People talk
> about QA, but during maintenance mode (e.g. after a release) we have a
> couple of million users that are forced to do QA anyway, so it's not
> the same as QA'ing a rawhide cut.
> Let me propose the following, not only for this specific release:
> Since we have the tools (which we want to promote anyway) and since
> every Fedora release had starter bugs that are more severe than
> anything that creeps up during maintenance mode, let's always do an
> official respin 3-4 weeks after a golden release. The need is there as
> well (e.g. check with the fedora-unity guys, people want to have these
> respins). And I'm sure there will be a lot of community testers (more
> than during test4->GA) available if a respin is done.

How is this any different from always having a Test4, or a Test5?  Nobody is 
going to look at the first release because it's not good enough, a more 
tested one will always come later, and then we're in a vicious cycle.  It's 
the Red Hat Linux days all over again where nobody uses a .0, they wait for 
a .1 or a .2.  Same with the kernel and it's development branch.  I just 
don't want to see Fedora go down this road.  we get one shot to make a 
release point, lets do what we can to get there, and move on to the next one.

Respins are great, and respins are wonderful if you want to do one for your 
use, or for a group, or as a contrib item.  However a /Fedora/ release from 
the /Fedora Project/ carries some weight to it and needs to be done as right 
as possible, and that would mean doing another /release/ of what is in F7 + 
updates, which would mean another freeze period, another round of QA, public 
RCs, blocker bugs, etc..  We're not just going to pump something out in a 
day, and it puts a severe cramp on what we can do for our already short 
Fedora 8 schedule.  And then were do we stick it on the mirrors?  7.1?  Do we 
do an 8.0 then?  And an 8.1?  wait a year to do 9 so that we can do our 8.X 
releases?  Maybe we could do quarterly respins and push our release cycle out 
to 18 months, that'll be Enterprisy right?  Maybe we could sell subscriptions 
to the updates and respin service!  I sense real opportunity here.

Jesse Keating
Release Engineer: Fedora

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