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Re: yum-deltarpm (Was Thread Hijack - Our package management GUI tools need improvement)

Jonathan Dieter wrote:
On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 12:35 -0500, Warren Togami wrote:
2) Ahmed Kamal has been working on a potentially sane implementation of deltarpm for Fedora's yum. Theoretically, it would work as an optional yum plugin. If the deltarpm is substantially smaller than an RPM update, then the deltarpm is provided on a mirror. If the deltarpm is not provided, then yum downloads the original RPM instead. If it downloaded a deltarpm, it reconstructs the original RPM and uses GPG to verify integrity just like yum would verify plain RPM downloads.

Ahmed probably could use some developer and testing help. I've been encouraging him to be more communicative about his project in order to get more help, but I haven't seen any further outreach lately.

Warren Togami
wtogami redhat com

I've been working with Ahmed and Michael Schroeder (the upstream
maintainer of deltarpm) to track down some long-standing bugs in
deltarpm, especially as it relates to prelinked binaries.  These bugs
were causing very odd problems while working with the yum-deltarpm

Interesting! I had not considered prelinking. I'm glad you found this problem.

Does it check the integrity of all other files (except %config) before deciding to attempt to download the deltarpm? (If some other file is modified, abort and download the regular RPM?)

We *think* we've found them all (the patches are in the latest Rawhide
version of deltarpm in Extras), so I think we're at the point where what
we really need is someone who would be willing to create drpms of all
new packages in Core and Extras (there's a modified version of prunerepo
that does all the work for you), and host them for us.

To give you an idea of the savings we're looking at:
* kdebase-3.5.5-0.4.fc6  => kdebase-3.5.6-0.1.fc6 =  3.5MB vs. 30.2MB
* kdegames-3.5.5-0.1.fc6 => kdegames-3.5.6-0.1.fc6 = 740KB vs. 11.1MB
* OO.o-core-2.0.4-5.5.3  => OO.o-core-2.0.4-5.5.10 = 8.7MB vs. 92.4 MB
There won't be that kind of savings for all the packages, but a general
rule of the thumb is that the bigger the package, the better the chance
that we'll get a good compression ratio on the drpm.

Generated drpms are only to be kept on mirrors if the download savings are substantial. Some threshold level has to be decided.

For example (actual numbers can be decided later):
Only push a drpm to mirrors if the download savings are greater than 40% total size, and greater than 5MB.

Warren Togami
wtogami redhat com

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