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Re: shiny desktop, anyone?

On 28/05/07, Valent Turkovic <valent turkovic gmail com> wrote:
On 5/28/07, Steve Hill <steve nexusuk org> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > I can only share one comment of my apple osx friend who was an ex
> > windows user after installing Fedora 6:
> >
> > "This looks like windows 98."
> Of course then you showed him Beryl, right? :)

No, he removed it before I could do any customization to it...

And after I showed him my desktop that was already too late, he was
not interested too much because his own experience was too blend.

> That said, I was under the impression that an aweful lot of Windows people
> switch XP back to the "classic interface" - i.e. something that looks just
> like Win98?
> I saw Vista with Aero for the first time a couple of weeks ago - maybe
> I've just been spoilt by Beryl, but my first thought was "It's just XP but
> with transparent bits and slightly different window decoration".  I've not
> yet worked out why people are raving about Aero, it just doesn't seem
> anything special to me.

People are't raving about it - it is just a little more polished -
just what fedora 7 or 8 or 9 needs :) Why is every fedora the same -
theme wise? Each fedora has great artwork but the theme says the
same... that is just laziness :) or lack of insight... there should be
gnome theme that corresponds with the artwork IMHO. At lest a little

Now F7 looks so Fedora Core 3 like :) not to make the same comparison
my friend did with windows because I don't use them.

> > And when I looked it from his perspective I saw he was right. Don't
> > get me wrong I love Fedora theme... but when windows looks like osx I
> > think Fedora needs also a little polish to make it shine...
> I consider the default Fedora settings to be quite plain and basic - they
> get the job done but they don't make you go "Ooooooh".  The first thing I
> do with my Fedora machines when they get installed is switch window
> manager and copy my customised settings onto the system.  However, that's
> the power of Linux - you _can_ customise it, and what's right for one
> person isn't right for another.

you can customize windows and osx, and you can argue which is more
that is not the point. the point is in default theme.

> There is a limit to how far the defaults can go though - for example,
> starting Compiz or Beryl by default would certainly make things shiny, but
> there are just so many driver problems associated with them.

I don't agree. I had 3rd party Compiz and Berly packages on FC5 and
FC6 6 months ago and had better exeperience and less bugs with them
than with compiz that is now in F7! To me this looks like lack of
attention for these packages.

I'm motivated to weigh in on this argument as so far the accusations levelled at Fedora is that it looks like Windows 98, Fedora Core 3 and needs to be shinier.  You've also accused artists of laziness and that each theme looks the same. Try taking a look at other distributions sometime - you'll see much less variation and you are always welcome to use theme packs of which several sit in the main repository.

I'm not sure what version of Windows 98 looks like FC6 but I'm betting it wasn't OEM. As for arguing that Beryl and Compiz packages are not getting the required attention then it would be helpful if you elaborated a little, particularly regarding the bugs. Even have a trawl through bugzilla and add your thoughts.


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