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Re: Plan for tomorrows (20070531) FESCO meeting



Brian Pepple wrote:
Hi,

Please find below the list of topics that are likely to come up in the
next FESCo meeting that is scheduled for tomorrow, Thursday at 17:00 UTC
in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.org:

/topic FESCO-Meeting -- MISC -- Package Database - abadger1999

/topic FESCO-Meeting -- MISC -- F7

/topic FESCO-Meeting -- linking ipsvd statically against dietlibc --
requested by Patrice Dumas -
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-maintainers/2007-May/msg00980.html
/topic FESCO-Meeting -- statically link libgcrypt into gaim-otr --
requested by Paul Wouters -
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2007-February/msg00425.html

/topic FESCO-Meeting -- MISC -- Broken Upgrades paths - jwb
/topic FESCO-Meeting -- MISC -- Policies that need updating for merge?
-- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Policy

/topic FESCo meeting -- Free discussion around Fedora

You want something to be discussed? Send a note to the list in reply to
this mail and I'll add it to the schedule (I can't promise we will get
to it tomorrow, but we'll most likely will if we don't run out of time).
You can also propose topics in the meeting while it is in the "Free
discussion around Fedora" phase.

If your name/nick is on above list please update the status on the
Extras schedule pages in the wiki ahead of the meeting. That way all the
other FESCo members and interested contributors know what up ahead of
the meeting. And we will avoid long delays in the meeting -- those often
arise if someone describes the recent happenings on a topic directly in
the meeting while all the others have to wait for his slow typing...

Thanks,
/B
* Some ridiculous dependencies still exist. For instance, just because I want a Gnome desktop does not mean that I even have the capabilities to burn CDs and/or DVDs, so why have packages for that? I also happen to hate Evolution with a passion (I use Thunderbird), but Gnome is somehow still dependent upon this as well (last I checked) so I have to keep it around. There are others.

* You can't seriously be considering actually releasing Fedora 7 on schedule! Are you trying to be like Microsoft? I had to roll back 2 systems here because X crashes upon closing tabs in Firefox and upon switching VTs. I looked at the bug for the Firefox one and it's listed as "medium severity". Come on now, medium? I was anything but mediumly angry when I lost all of the web sites I had open, a few text documents in gedit. And yes, I do save often, but that's beside the point. Further, the Nautilus issues with random crashes and an inability to delete files mounted on NFS drives are rediculous. These are all issues that NEED to be fixed or your reputation is going to go down the crapper. I don't care how "pretty" you make the desktop, if it doesn't work for more than 15 minutes at a time, it isn't worth squat to me. I've filed or participated on bugs for all of these issues.

* What ever happened to following the LFS standards as I remember seeing as long ago as FC3? The main one here being a move of default documentroot and databases to /srv where they belong? Yes, I understand people will be unfamiliar with it at first, but there's been quite a bit of discussion regarding ways to handle this. This isn't really something enough to stop a rollout, but it has been "under advisement" for years now. As it is, if I want to , for instance, put my MySQL databases under /srv where they belong, I have to go through all sorts of BS.

That's all I've got right now. I think Fedora 8 should be all about cleaning up the packages and stabilizing the OS.


-Jeremy



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