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Re: Root login in rawhide and display managers



> On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 17:21 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>> Richi Plana wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 14:06 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>> >
>> >> User should be able to turn on/off/enable/disable  services ( the
>> >> service's that aren't the mandatory one's ) in Anaconda
>> >>
>> >
>> > Beg to disagree. Anaconda should just concentrate on getting the real
>> > Fedora image installed so that it becomes the running system (its
>> kernel
>> > and filesystem is used). You can argue for it at firstboot, though. Or
>> > just put it in kickstart (if possible).
>> >
>> >
>> Then you must agree with me that Anaconda  should enable just the
>> service's that are the mandatory one's and no other..
>
> How I wish! I want all my installations to be as lean and mean, as
> possible. Unfortunately, you're relying on people to choose which
> services should be enabled or not when it should be the user (via
> his/her use of the computer) that should decide.

I think you misunderstood me there, I am for all as much auto
install/configure as possible for the novice user But....
I want an option to disable and choose to do those things manually before
the system does those things for me, Instead of always have to back trace
what was configured for me and revert it to my choosing. :)

> Once the software is
> installed on a person's machine, we won't be there to enable or disable
> a service should it all of a sudden be needed. Ideally, the software
> should be smart enough to enable what needs to be enabled when the user
> says "I need to do this" (and one of it's requirements is an enabled
> service),

Agreed...

> but we aren't there yet and there's no formal mention that
> that's the direction we are actually going.

How about getting some formal answers from the those who make that ruling

Which by the way are ???

>
> Really, the system should try to be smarter when it comes to guessing
> what the user needs (as opposed to being static and set at spin-time).
> Even Windows tries to be smart and keeps track of what apps have been
> recently used and presents those first. It also knows which ones are
> less likely to be used and offers to remove them. We're nowhere near
> that with services and packages.

Agreed..

>
> So as much as I want just the services that I  actually use running on
> my system (and packages that I only intend to use installed)
> automatically done for me, I have to be satisfied with doing things
> manually.
> --

As do we all...

Best regards
         Johann B.


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