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Re: Root login in rawhide and display managers



David Boles wrote:
on 9/19/2007 5:43 PM, Richi Plana wrote:
On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 17:06 -0400, David Boles wrote:
Want to use Linux, be a Linux Geek, so to speak? Learn a little more about
it first. More than downloading an ISO and burning it it Windows. I did
that years ago. How about you?
Now that's not a nice mentality.

I'm a self-professed computer geek, but it's my opinion that a person
should be good at what they aim to accomplish. If they mean to write a
great essay on a wordprocessor on Linux, then they don't need to be
proficient with Linux. Just writing. OTOH, if you want to be a Linux
machines system administrator, then that person should damn well know
what the heck is going on under the hood of their machine (as opposed to
just button-clicking). Even with grammar-correction, writers should know
well the rules of grammar.

The beauty in Linux is that as the software matures, people find
themselves being more productive in whatever goal they set themselves
out to use a computer for. Hopefully, it might even allow them to be
creative about it in ways that weren't open to them before using Linux.
(That's how I got hooked on code reusability and the Unix philosophy.)

I did *not* say that you needed to be a 'geek' to use Linux for common
everyday tasks. What I said was that if you, the (any)user, wants to do
really, really strange things that the user should know more about Linux
than how to tie his shoes strings.


No just to start to buy a loot of books about linux and read the wealth of information
about linux before you start using it...

When I started with Linux 'docs' was a joke. Man pages was just about the
same. GUI configuration applications? What are those? Files, most of
which, are done 'for you' now had to be done by hand during the
installation or in text editors later. Firewalls. Port sentries. Lan
connections. Almost everything had to be done by hand.

Which took - OH MY $deity - reading and more than 'click here dummy or
accept the default'.

Oh the good old days :) We have come a long way since then..
The *MAIN* fault with Windows is the 'user is root' situation. You want
that for Linux? Do you really want someone who thinks that a harddrive is
that 'big box on my desk that all of this stuff is connected to' to have
kill it in one shot abilities?

If the user is *chrooted* to his home directory and what he does cant affect the system or other users, then hell yeah.. he should have the power to shoot himself in the "foot"
or commit otherwize user suicide...

Really? Then Linux is doomed to follow the same path. When 'you' make
Linux just like that - that is when the masses will/might convert to
Linux.
Where have you been fella, the masses have already started to use GNU/Linux
The number are increasing  by the day...

Welcome to the OpenSource Revolution....
( We have to start creating T-Shirts and come up with some really cool songs and slogans. )
( Any one open/up for the task to write an OpenSource musical :) ..  )

That will be when the guy in Russia starts writing the really kool
screen saver that the dummy you enticed to try Linux downloads. The on
that contacts the first major Linux Trojan/virus/ crap.

I hope not.
As long as it affect the user and only the user then it does not matter...

Best regards
               Johann B.

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Johann B. Gudmundsson. RHCE,CCSA
Unix System Engineer.
IT Management.
Reiknistofnun University of Iceland.
Taeknigardi, Dunhaga 5.			Email:		johannbg hi is
IS-107 Reykjavik.			Phone:		+354-525-4267
Iceland. Fax: +354-552-8801
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