long term support release
Horst H. von Brand
vonbrand at inf.utfsm.cl
Sun Jan 27 01:29:00 UTC 2008
Ralf Corsepius <rc040203 at freenet.de> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 12:12 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote:
> > Horst H. von Brand wrote:
> > >> If the latter effort fails,
> > >> you've still got a solid, working version.
> > > If you want "solid, working", why are you messing around with
> > > "bleeding-edge apps"?!
> > Why are people writing 'bleeding-edge' apps if there is no reason to use
> > them?
> I guess no reasonable _user_ wants 'bleeding-edge'.
I consider myself "reasonable"... but sure, the evaluation comes from
awfully close ;-)
> I want/need a comprehensive, up2date distribution containing
> current/up2date (considered stable) versions of those packages I
> actually use.
To get to the point of "considered stable" somebodies must do the
"considering" (plus the attendant bug fixing)...
> As a developer, it's not a major problem for _me_ having to cope with a
> couple of issues here and there, but how do you expect "Aunt Tillie" to
> cope with them?
Perhaps Fedora isn't for her then. There are many alternatives; in the
RH-ish range there is CentOS.
> Also, with F8 I have been confronted with so many tiny issues, which all
> together render productive use of Fedora close to impossible and have
> caused me to have doubts on the project's sanity.
Have you reported them?
[BTW, most of the F8 timeline I was running rawhide, and I was reasonably
productive al throughout, except for some short glitches. So I don't buy
your "close to impossible to use".]
> Interestingly, it's not the "community-maintained packages" some seem to
> preferr to accuse to be of low quality, which are causing the trouble,
> it's the sum of issues with the "standard/default packages" which are
> piling up.
Stands to reason, the "standard/default packages" are the foundation of the
system. If some obscure game or some piece of glitter malfunctions, it
isn't too nice; is the kernel, glibc, or Gnome fail it is fatal.
> > A desktop app that crashes once in a while is not a huge problem
> > - and wouldn't be a problem at all if there were an option to drop back
> > to a more stable version.
> > A machine that won't boot or a device driver
> > that no longer talks to my hardware is.
> Yep, that's one subset amongst several sets of issues I am facing ;)
> Fortunately, these happen to be the easy cases. The really nagging ones
> are those, one can't identify the cause of.
And those get magically fixed by extending the life of a random version
with an understaffed crew doing on-and-off bug fixing and backporting?
In my experience, they end getting fixed by moving forward.
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