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Re: Heads-up: brand new RPM version about to hit rawhide

On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 09:23 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> Le dimanche 13 juillet 2008 à 03:03 -0400, Colin Walters a écrit :
> > 2008/7/13 Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas mailhot laposte net>:
> >         
> >         
> >         
> >         How about the 9/10th of packages I've been involved with since
> >         I used
> >         RHL or Fedora (I think I've passed my decade of use and
> >         packaging now)?
> > 
> > Part of Fedora's role in the larger Free Software community is to
> > drive convergence and improvements in upstream projects.  This
> > manifests in various ways, such as getting projects onto the same
> > shared library versions, etc.  In this instance, if our tooling could
> > be signinficantly improved by using revision control instead of
> > tarballs (and I definitely believe that is the case) we can help move
> > upstream.
> > 
> > For example in GNOME it would not be a large workflow change to make
> > it a hard requirement that tarball releases on ftp.gnome.org have a
> > predictable correspondingly named SVN (or hopefully later git) tag.
> Given that it's a lot of work just to convince projects to have sane
> numbering and clear licensing, that even Red Hat (hello Liberation) has
> been known to release high-profile material out of a VCS, that tag move
> and history rewrite is rampant even in our own Fedora CVS, this seems a
> hopeless cause to me.

People have to care enough to do abide by sane SCM policies, I grant you
that.  I think a large enough number will agree to them that it's worth
the effort.

>  You keep giving big projects with lots of
> resources as examples, but while a big part of the distribution, they're
> not all of it.

This isn't an all or nothing exercise.  If a few big projects sign on,
then we've made a net win.  Since I already know the kernel can use
this, and of course I'm relatively certain every InfiniBand package,
including all of the still active MPI stacks, will agree to it, and
Colin is bringing up Gnome....really, how much more do you need to think
it would be worthwhile?  Personally, I'm sold even if only the mentioned
packages take us up on it.

Doug Ledford <dledford redhat com>
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