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Re: rpmreaper



On Wednesday 04 June 2008 02:55:19 Panu Matilainen wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Steve Grubb wrote:
> > Not really. Bash has been patched to to spit out the programs it calls
> > (/bin/bash --rpm-requires). So, its a matter of overriding
> > %__find_requires to run a program that gathers the information for shell
> > scripts and falls back to the old way for others.
> >
> > No one should have to specify this, it can be automated easily. Without
> > taking shell scripts into account, you run the risk of breaking
> > unspecified requirements.
>
> I wish it were that simple.
>
> "bash --rpm-requires" does a fair job for the impossible task, but it
> produces way too much bogus information and false positives to be
> generally usable as is. A quick check at various scripts found on a stock
> F9 system shows at least these problems:
>
> 1) It mistakes functions declared in sourced scripts as executables
> 2) It mistakes functions used before declared as executables

In my opinion, these ^^ should be fixed.

> 3) It thinks of sourced scripts as executables

In a sense, they are. My init scripts source /etc/init.d/functions, so that is 
a real dependency.

> 4) It produces hard dependencies for conditional items

I agree this is a problem. I think it gets worse the further nested a program 
would be in if staements. But as a first pass, one could fix it to only check 
files not within a if statement and add logic later to go deeper. Something 
is better than nothing as right now we do not capture shell script 
dependencies and they *are* real.

> 5) For most executables, path is unknown

There is a standard PATH that the distribution expects. So there is some 
defined search order. I solved this in the build system I wrote by keeping a 
list of all files installed by rpm as packages were built. Then the 
find-requires script would resolve the name to full path based on the 
standard PATH. This is solvable.


> Assuming 1-3) are fixed and ignoring 4), 5) could be dealt with, at least
> to some extent, but it's a big can of worms too. For the dependencies to
> be discoverable by yum & friends, there would have to be matching provides
> for all executable(foo) items bash --rpm-requires produces.
>
> Rpm could automatically add Provides: executable(foo) for any file with
> executable bits on, but it would cause *enormous* bloat of metadata. 

Bloat, to me, means something that would never be used. If the dependencies 
are real, they should be captured. Do you need to have the dependency at the 
file level or package level? Maybe that reduces some of the metadata?

> So solving 5) should be possible if 1-3) were fixed, but it'd still be
> pretty moot because 4) can't generally be solved (apart from manually
> filtering bogus dependencies, at which point it's hardly "easily
> automated" :)

I don't think #4 is impossible. Its not easy either. But I think we could get 
a first pass that is pretty good and make it better over time. Right now, we 
capture nothing. So, a first pass solution that captures 25% accurately is 
better than where we are. 

In the build system I wrote, I lumped #4 and #5 together and solved them with 
a lookup table. It was good enough for my needs. If I resolved the path, the 
dependency was recorded. If not, I didn't record it. So, 
if /sbin/solaris-specific was not in my distribution's file list, it was 
quietly removed from the possible dependencies.

-Steve


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