F8 kernel-2.6.24.3-12.fc8

[Chuck Ebbert]

On 03/07/2008 02:27 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 18:28:17 +0100
> "David Nielsen" <gnomeuser at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 2008/3/7, Jarod Wilson <jwilson at redhat.com>:
>>> On Friday 07 March 2008 10:51:25 am Benjamin Kreuter wrote:
>>>> On Thursday 06 March 2008 19:29:23 Chuck Ebbert wrote:
>>>>> Sorry, we had to release with known bugs. A new kernel will be in
>>>>> updates-testing very shortly.
>>>> Why did you have to release with known bugs?  Why not just wait until
>>> the
>>>> bugs are fixed?  The last three kernel updates broke suspend for me...
>>>
>>> Uh... If we waited until all the known bugs were fixed, we'd never release
>>> *any* kernel... :)
>>>
>>> Despite this kernel making my own iwl4965 unusable, I was fully in favor
>>> of
>>> releasing it. In theory, we fixed more problems than we caused, and you're
>>> always welcome to keep running the prior kernel. (I'm actually running a
>>> slightly modified 2.6.24.2-7.fc8 now).
>>
>> I don't think anyone expects perfection, but when breakage goes so far as to
>> encourage users to petition against an update being marked stable we might
>> want to reconsider deploying. Not doing so reflects poorly on Fedora as a
>> project to users in that our update policy looks dangerous to them and
>> discourages testers from reporting problems since their experience will be
>> that they are being ignored.
> 
> We have an official way to protest an update.  You go in the update
> system and give it bad karma.  If a package gets -3, it gets
> auto-unpushed.  At the moment the kernel is not exempt from this.
> 

People should file bugs instead of just posting a comment in Bodhi.
Bodhi does not provide the same features as bugzilla for tracking
problems -- for example this weekend we had one person in Bodhi
posting the same -1 karma message three times in a row...