Multilib Middle-Ground

[Les Mikesell]

Kevin Kofler wrote:
> 
>> I can say that OpenNMS won't currently work with a 1.6 version because 
>> it's developers have said so.
> 
> Then surely you should blame OpenNMS for not supporting the latest version of 
> Java! Java is almost completely backwards-compatible, they have really no 
> excuses for still shipping something which doesn't work with the 1.5-year-old 
> latest version.

If it's so easy, perhaps you could check out a copy and offer them the 
fixes.

> By the way, have you really tried it? My experience is that stuff often just 
> works with IcedTea even if they claim to only support 1.5.

No, and it's not a particular problem as far as opennms itself goes 
because their yummable repository includes a working JVM.

>> I don't understand what that has to do with making it difficult to 
>> install a compliant version.
> 
> s/compliant/obsolete/

I suppose I can accept that as a description of some happy future time.

> Quit talking about "standards compliant" when what you really want is ancient 
> legacy crap. The certified 1.6 implementation from Sun won't run those programs 
> any better than OpenJDK does.

Yes, I realize this will all get fixed in several more years.  But our 
internal stuff just went to 1.5 last year and it took non-trivial 
changes so I don't expect everyone else to rush either.

>> conversations here I thought someone said the relationship was 
>> deliberately broken with portions moved into fedora packages and the 
>> rest ignored.
> 
> Are you trying to fault Fedora for including what they can include? 

Yes, both for shipping a non-conforming implementation which harms 
everyone involved, and for not shipping something to fix up the package 
dependencies and alternatives symlinks  peculiar to fedora when a user 
installs a conforming implementation.

 > Obviously
> they won't include the non-Free crap which is on JPackage, nor stuff which 
> non-Free dependencies. Some of the incompatibilities in packaging are also due 
> to JPackage hardcoding dependencies on non-Free crap into Free packages which 
> aren't really necessary and which Fedora patches out.

I can't parse any of that.  The jpackage nosrc packages don't include 
any non-free bits - they just adjust things for fedora oddness.

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   Les Mikesell
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