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Re: Proposal: Rolling Release

Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:

I hate to bring logic to a troll fight, but lets try to be objective

If the problem is truly:

* Fedora does not provide non-free, legally encumbered applications out
of the box

No, the problem is not that Fedora doesn't include those things in the box. The problem is that Fedora does not admit that users need things that are not included in the box, does nothing to co-operate with others that would provide them, and by shipping a wildly moving target with no coordination, actively breaks everything others even attempt to do in this regard.

Then, there is nothing that we can do to resolve this which does not:

* Compromise Fedora's position on only including Free Software
* Break US law (and yes, this includes not committing contributory

These are the facts. Now, if you think you have a constructive
suggestion on how to solve the problem I stated above which doesn't
compromise Fedora's Free Software only position or break US law, speak
now. Otherwise, please drop this point.

I fail to see how, for example, including a java-1.5.0-sun-compat package in the box, or maintaining a working relationship with the jpackage.org packagers would have compromised any sensible positions, yet it would have dramatically changed the user experience.

  Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell gmail com

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