Reasons to preseve X on tty7

[Les Mikesell]

Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> 
>>> I've had with Fedora 8/9 is the cr*p nvidia drivers don't work quite 
>>> right on my setup, and that's hardly Fedora's fault.
>>
>> It is fedora's fault that their policy makes it difficult for you to 
>> run vendor drivers.
> 
> I'm sure this wasn't your intent anyway, but please don't put words in 
> my mouth :-). I happen to *agree* with the policy. The problem, rather - 
> at least as I see it - is simply that nvidia's drivers suck :-).

Nobody can write code that always survives changes in non-standard 
interfaces.  Nvidia's drivers for OS's that provide stable interfaces 
work fine.

> Which 
> is hardly Fedora's fault; 

Well, it is a generic Linux problem, but fedora could make it easier for 
the users by not pushing out interface changes without coordinating with 
driver providers.

> if nvidia would get with the program and make 
> Free and Open drivers, then maybe they could be fixed.

Probably not - they would just be in the same shape as firewire and scsi 
drivers that go months/years with bugs that don't get fixed.

>>> Maintenance... sure, I run 'yum update' every few days, big deal :-). 
>>
>> I don't mind running the update - it's when things don't work 
>> afterwards or a remote machine doesn't come back after a reboot that 
>> is the problem.
> 
> I'm sorry to hear about your bad experiences. I've never had such 
> problems, though.

Maybe the person who builds the kernels has the same disk hardware as 
you and has some reason to care if it works.

> Given what it is, I'm sure some people have trouble with Fedora, and you 
> have my sympathy if you're one of them. I'm not convinced, however, that 
> such problems are the norm and not the exception.

And I'm not convinced that anyone even tries anything that matters with 
fedora - or runs it across a large variety of hardware.

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   Les Mikesell
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