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Re: Fedora release criteria completely revised



Adam Williamson said the following on 12/08/2009 07:12 AM Pacific Time:
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 15:07 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Plus, why was the KDE SIG not invited? (We had at least 4 KDE SIG folks present at FUDCon.)

We had a pre-hackfest meeting for the whole FUDCon attendee list where
everyone who wanted to hack on something stood up and announced what
they would be hacking on. John Poelstra announced at that meeting that
we would be gathering to work on the release criteria. The KDE people
who were at FUDCon were at that meeting, so they were in a position to
know about the work. I was running around all day telling people what we
were working on, it wasn't a secret.

Are you planning to ship Fedora 13 even if the KDE Live image is broken?

That depends on whether you want us to or not. :) If a SIG has criteria
they want to add to the list, and they can commit to fulfilling those
criteria and be willing to take the responsibility of causing a release
to slip if they _don't_ fulfill them, we can certainly add those to the
lists. If KDE has minimum functional levels for the KDE spin that they
can commit to, please do send them to this thread and we'll look at
putting them in the criteria.

We intentionally didn't specifically address the issue of the relative
'importance' of spins in the criteria as it's a difficult topic and one
that's not really appropriate to decide in this place. The existing
criteria didn't address this either - they didn't say anything about
_any_ spin having to be not 'broken' before we ship - so there's no
change there.

This is a good clarification that we should add to the criteria page--it only speaks to requirements to release our default offering. It is also a framework to add more detail to once the "Target Audience" discussion is finalized.

The Fedora QA process, for as long as I've been near it has focused on the "default offering" which has the Gnome desktop.

I don't speak for the QA group, but to my knowledge Fedora QA has never officially tested or been responsible for testing any of the spins, including KDE. When I was part of the spins process it was understood that each Spins team was responsible for testing their spin.

It would be a mistake to take the new release criteria pages and attempt to mold them to make them be "all things to all Spins." Just as each of the public releases (Alpha, Beta, and Final) have different target audiences, so do the spins themselves.

What would make sense would be for each of the Spins SIGS to copy the release criteria pages and mold their own from them. The Fedora QA Team already has enough things on their plate and they are doing a great job, but don't muddy the waters by trying to mix two target audiences into the same release criteria.

John


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