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Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

On 12/16/2009 06:34 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, nodata wrote:

Am 2009-12-16 18:21, schrieb Seth Vidal:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, nodata wrote:

we're talking about the experienced user who is comfortable knowing
does and does not need a reboot.

All I'm saying is - we've not taken away any option, the experienced
user can do what they want.


True, but the default should be sensible.

And the default is sensible for the inexperienced user:

Don't try to explain to the user how to restart the apps individually,
tell them to bounce the box and it will be the right version when it
comes back.


On the other hand I think requiring more reboots than Windows is a bad

Then I can think of a couple of solutions to this problem:

1. Have fewer update pushes per release - this is something I'm actively
advocating and I think is possible
Depends on what you actually have in mind.

Simply letting update pile up would seem a silly idea to me, it contradicts Fedora's goal and removes what makes Fedora "attractive".

Letting pile up "updates, which require a reboot, but are not addressig real bugs", could be applicable.

2. Match up more updates to a specific running app so we can see if the
reboot is really necessary at all. - something else I've wrriten some
code in support of.
Yes, this would be helpful - But only in case of non-bugfix updates.

Bug-fix updates should be pushed ASAP, IMO.

3. Having better tools to avoid reboots.
(Consider daemons, servers).

4. Maintainers to be more careful/reluctant/conservative, when considering to update packages, which require a reboot.


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