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Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

Am 2009-12-17 15:02, schrieb Otto Haliburton:

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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 05:09
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Subject: Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Otto Haliburton
<ottohaliburton tx rr com>  wrote:

----- Original Message ----- From: "nodata"<lsof nodata co uk>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

Am 2009-12-16 18:21, schrieb Seth Vidal:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, nodata wrote:

we're talking about the experienced user who is comfortable knowing
does and does not need a reboot.

All I'm saying is - we've not taken away any option, the experienced
user can do what they want.


True, but the default should be sensible.

And the default is sensible for the inexperienced user:

Don't try to explain to the user how to restart the apps individually,
tell them to bounce the box and it will be the right version when it
comes back.


On the other hand I think requiring more reboots than Windows is a bad

windows update will automatically reboot your system when it
updates it
windows tried the optional stuff but now almost every case it requires a

I don't like the term "experienced user" and I never feel comfortable
adding myself to that group but anyway,

- I don't want Windows to automatically reboot so I disable the
automatic Windows Update on the machines I'm using.

- I don't want my Fedora to reboot automatically so I disable and
remove PackageKit on the machines I'm using.

There isn't that much I could say about the times Fedora ask for a
reboot but at least I think it's kind of "unfair" to compare it with
an OS which pushes their updates just once a month.

Just my € 0.02.
first of all PackageKit does not do mandatory reboots.  If you hadn't
disabled it you would know that.  In fact the people that are complaining
don't seem to have any idea why reboots are necessary.  You need to get a
grip on file processing, cache, and other processes that speeds up execution
then you will know why it is not trivial. i.e. you kill a task that is in
the process of writing data to a file after you update it.  What happens????

With kind regards / Met vriendelijke groet,

Eelko Berkenpies

fedora-devel-list mailing list
fedora-devel-list redhat com

I wish mailing list discussions were point-for-point for-and-against. It would be so much easier.

Here is my point: Windows requires a reboot less often than Linux. Argue all you want, it's true.

Linux has quicker security updates than Linux. That's an advantage.

ksplice can patch a running kernel...

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