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Re: Root Logins in X...

Hi, I am a non technical user of Fedora.

I think there should (and finally will) be two different versions:

(I) For non-technical users a version that just works. Easy to install,
all settings are default. Simply a for free Microsoft Windows
replacement. This is the Linux version that will be most widely spread.
Most users have absolutely no idea of how to use a terminal window, and
with this version they will not need to know it. 

(II) For technical or want to be technical users and developers, where
there are many more alternatives to set things up.    

On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 06:17 -0500, Dr. Diesel wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Warren Togami <wtogami redhat com>
> wrote:
>         Let us step back and consider the actual goal of preventing
>         root logins.
>         We want to stop people from logging in as root on their X
>         desktop
>         because it is almost always done out of laziness.  We want to
>         discourage
>         these lazy users from logging in as root and using desktop
>         applications,
>         which can be a dangerous thing.
>         The only legitimate reason to allow root login is disaster
>         recovery.
>         The case where /home filesystem is full and logins fail,
>         or /home is
>         remote and inaccessible are cases where graphical non-root
>         logins can fail.
>         So why don't we make root logins from GDM a stripped down
>         desktop with
>         only a terminal and a menu with only configuration tools?
>          This desktop
>         should be ugly and with a very obvious note explaining why
>         they
>         shouldn't be logged in as root.
>         Benefits?
>         - Educates the users.
>         - Prevents future stupid flame wars.
>         Just a thought... I don't particularly care what happens
>         here.  I never
>         log in as root on X.
>         Warren Togami
>         wtogami redhat com
> Who are we to police log-ins anyhow?  If they are too lazy and
> completely hose the system that is their problem.  I frankly find it
> quite irritating that a couple of the servers stuffed away in my
> locked server room that are only accessible my me, only accessed once
> in 60-90 days, can't sit there logged in as root.
> What's next?  We going to force Gnome, Firefox, SElinux, etc cause we
> feel it is safer?
> We are about choice, ask the user during install if he/she wants to
> prevent root logg-ins.
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