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Re: an update to automake-1.11?



Stepan Kasal wrote:
Hello,

On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 07:30:37AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Kevin Kofler wrote:
Some software may need the new version to build.
Very unlikely.

There are people using the new features, like Jim Mayering, the
coreutils maintainer, and others.  Building checkouts or even
tarballs of their projects on F9 might be a problem.
No, not if they bundle the generated auto* files with their tarballs, as they are supposed to do.

However, this upgrade may break rebuilding some of the packages whose packagers refuse to accept that running the autotools during builts is harmful.

But this is not too likely either.
Right, it is unlikely to happen with packages which already use automake-1.10 or versions next to it.

 Only a minority of Fedora
packages does run autotools in their spec files.
Well, with Fedora having attracted new packagers, who are not aware about the issues lurking, the number of such packages is increasing, once again!

Anyway, the changes between automake-1.10 and automake-1.11 have
been  comparatively harmless.

Thank you for saying that.  (Yes, I know this statment does not mean
you support the updates and I do not intend to imply that.)
Oh, actually I welcome Fedora shipping automake-1.11, because
a) it will cause some moderate stir-up to those packages whose upstreams are still abusing the autotools. b) it will force packagers who are running the autotools during builds to review their packages, and to reconsider their habits.
c) I (as a developer) am using automake-1.11 for my own works already.


The new features having been introduced to automake-1.11, however are not welcomed by me. Neither do I find them useful nor do I find them helpful - They better should never have been added to automake!

Ralf


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