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Re: fedora 11 worst then ever release



On 07/27/2009 11:26 AM, David Cantrell wrote:
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On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Ralf Corsepius wrote:

On 07/27/2009 07:33 AM, David Cantrell wrote:
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Björn Persson wrote:

Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 07/26/2009 02:37 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009, Alan Cox wrote:
"all of my system has a wrong openssl version"

all these symptoms sound like your upgrade went horribly wrong. I've
seen preupgrade mash up a box by half upgrading like that. It's the
main
reason
I don't think preupgrade is actually safe to use yet.

Preupgrade's process is to depsolve - using the same method anaconda
does, download the pkgs it solves out. Put them in a cachedir.
Download
a kernel and an initrd, Setup a ks.cfg. then reboot the machine and
allow anaconda to do the install.

Specific issues we've had with preupgrade are related to not being
able
to find a mirror and/or not being able to get pkgs.

Mine were
* preupgrade running out of diskspace on / when trying to fill
/var/cache/yum (my "/"'s tend to be minimized/small)

You're not blaming Preupgrade for the partition being too small, are
you? If
you want a small root partition you should put /var/cache/yum on
another
partition.

Do you mean Preupgrade didn't handle the lack of disk space well?

* anaconda failing during reboots due not being able to process fstab
correctly (FC11's anaconda misparses fstab and is unable able to
process
bind-mounts nor nfs-mounts).

Bind mounts are fixed, as far as I know:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=496406

For NFS mounts, I believe it's fixed in commit
40728ffcc1e32eb6b5ccc0cd3b3ddb23216cf199, which was on June 7th. That
should
carry over NFS mounts listed in /etc/fstab if you are doing an upgrade.
Well, to my knowledge these are "FIXED RAWHIDE", only.


That's true. anaconda is unique in that the only way a new one can be
released to fix installation issues for users is to generate new media.
Exactly => this bug is _not fixed_.


We continue to fix problems reported against Fedora 11's anaconda in
rawhide,
but for users needing the fix in the latest stable release, consider Fedora
Unity. Fedora Unity generates new spins of the latest stable release
including backports of anaconda fixes:

http://www.fedoraunity.org/
With all due respect to fedoraunity and you. To me it is a serious Fedora management and rel-eng mistake causing major harm to fedora's and RH's reputation to not provide updated media, thus to expose users to known bugs.

Openly said, I think this management mistake is one of the culprits for the poor shape of Fedora.

Another one is not having banned "FIXED RAWHIDE/UPSTREAM".

Ralf


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