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Re: fedora 11 worst then ever release

On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 04:48 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 07/29/2009 12:37 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 13:43 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> >
> >> With all due respect to fedoraunity and you. To me it is a serious
> >> Fedora management and rel-eng mistake causing major harm to fedora's and
> >> RH's reputation to not provide updated media, thus to expose users to
> >> known bugs.
> >
> > I can't think of any major distro that actually does this.
> And? Isn't Fedora about innovation?

Sure, but we do have a process for innovation ;). As I've mentioned in
other mails, I'm not actually against this happening, but it has to be a
significant project, handled properly, which involves bringing in extra
people, or else it wouldn't run very well.

> > It's a very
> > big effort that would take much manpower away from working on the
> > installer and releng tasks for the next release. The discussion about
> > whether that compromise would be justified has not been done yet. It's
> > not as simple as you suggest.
> My impression is you only say so because "you're too close" to "Ole' Red 
> Hat"'s habits and don't want to leave them.

That's funny, since I've never been a part of "Ole' Red Hat". I joined
RH in February. I've never actually run RHEL, only Fedora. I don't even
have an RHCE. People inside RH are forever complaining that I insist on
doing everything outside the company. :P

> The key to implement what I said is "a minimial installer image" - 
> Actually RH distros once had an installer which was very close to this.
> Unfortuately, this doesn't apply anymore.

Well, I believe the reason it's so big is because it contains stage2,
and the reason for that is so it doesn't have to be loaded into RAM,
which would make the installer rather more RAM-intensive (things already
get dicey with 512MB in certain circumstances). that does sound like an
area that could be re-examined, though.

Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org

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