[ANNOUNCE] New Mixer Handling in PA 0.9.16/F12

Dr. Diesel dr.diesel at gmail.com
Wed Jul 29 13:51:07 UTC 2009


On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski <
dominik at greysector.net> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 29 July 2009 at 15:24, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Wed, 29.07.09 06:48, Jeff Garzik (jgarzik at pobox.com) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Karel Zak wrote:
> > >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:07:32PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > >>> On Tue, 28.07.09 15:48, Bill Nottingham (notting at redhat.com) wrote:
> > >>> Yes. You cannot select them as record source, you cannot mute or
> > >>> unmute them, you cannot change their volume. "CD", "PC Speaker",
> > >>> "MIDI" and so on are just obsolete.
> > >>
> > >> This reminds me your note:
> > >>
> > >>
> https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004519.html
> > >>
> > >>     PA does not make use of hardware mixing. And I don't plan to
> change
> > >>     that. It's obsolete technology. CPUs these days come with
> extensions
> > >>     such as MMX or SSE precisely for speeding up DSP tasks such as PCM
> > >>     mixing. This is way more flexible that hw mixing, and definitely
> the
> > >>     way to the future, both on the desktop and on embedded envs as
> well.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The "obsolete technology" -- who made this decision? Is it your
> private
> > >> opinion or any suggestion from sound card manufacturers?
> > >>
> > >> It seems that HW companies still produce the "obsolete technology".
> > >
> > > Quite agreed [says a former kernel audio driver maintainer], and I will
> > > go even farther:
> >
> > Maybe since the times you worked on audio drivers the design of the
> > sound cards changed a little and stuff like SSE became largely available?
> >
> > > It is completely stupid to waste host CPU on a task that can be
> > > offloaded in parallel to dedicated audio hardware.
> > >
> > > If the user intentionally purchased expensive audio hardware with nice
> > > hardware mixing, do not subvert the user's intentions by ignoring such
> > > nice hardware.
> > >
> > > Any developer who claims "always use software mixing" or "always use
> > > hardware mixing" is a young, inexperienced fool.  There are valid
> > > situations for both choices.
> >
> > Hear hear, Mr. Garzik is the the old experienced wise man of audio,
> > who knows so much more about audio than any of the audio guys at
> > Microsoft or Apple.
>
> It's quite hypocritical of you to use an "anti-open-source" company
> (Creative) as an argument for not supporting hw mixing on one side
> and then touting other "anti-open-source" companies as examples to
> follow on the other.
>
> But whatever. Just please stop imposing pulseaudio on those who don't
> want to use it. For the record, I'm still considering leaving Fedora
> because - as a GNOME desktop - it's becoming unusable without pulseaudio.
> Making it a hard dependency for GNOME bluetooth stack in F11 went a bit
> too far in my opinion.
>
> Regards,
> R.
>

This is supported by the zillions of forum messages asking how to fix or
remove pulseaudio.  Not to mention the billion post thread here on devel.


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