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Re: What I HATE about F11



On 6/13/2009 10:19 PM, Charles Butterfield wrote:
> Okay, so I mostly love Fedora.  However, here are 4 things that got by
> blood really, really boiling, so I thought I’d share my emotions.  They
> are mostly policy issues, where I think you have gotten it very very wrong.
> 
>  
> 
> Just installed F11 64 bit, here are the things I hate about it in the
> first 30 minutes (of course there are a lot of things I like too, but
> they work, these don't). No doubt more will crop up.
> 
>     * Root gdm login - gets harder every release - SHAME ON YOU root nazis!
>     * Samba (outbound) browsing requires firewall mods
>     * Jamming SELinux enforcing mode with no query during install
> 
> And a bug:
> 
>     * My "supported" NVIDIA card (Quadro NVS 295) is not detected - okay
>       this may not be due to overt, mulish arrogance, but I did check
>       the supported card list and it is really annoying.
> 
> 
> The first 3 items are just freaking absurd and represent some sort of
> political agenda combined with astonishing arrogance.
> 
> Is a graphical root login dangerous -- of course! So are a lot of
> things, which have obvious enable/disable controls. Was this this
> discussed in the release note? - NO. Should it be inhibited by an
> ever-increasing set of obscure work-arounds (in this case an new file to
> edit in F11)? Of course not.  (Well as was pointed out to me in thread
> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=223793  this is
> discussed... but in non-highlighted text at the end of the boring last
> bullet suggesting you “save and close”).
> 
> 
> And why on earth show the stupid "Windows Network" if it doesn't work --
> just gives an obscure error message "Failed to retrieve share list from
> server". If you install the client, the reasonable man would open the
> ports, OR provide a cluefull error message.
> 
> SELinux - enforcing???? So all the bugs are worked out? I think not.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
> -- Charlie Butterfield
> 
>  
> 
> P.S. Here is a bit more context:
> 
>  
> 
> Bob -- Thanks for the tip, I did NOT realize the developers didn't scan
> the forums. I have been using Fedora since FC2 (I think), and overall
> think its great, esp as a bleeding edge incubator for RHEL/CentOS. BUT
> there are some annoying trends occurring that finally pushed me over
> rant/no-rant threshold.
> 
> Dan -- I like all manner of stuff, but what caused me to just wipe my
> CentOS 5.3 root partition and replace it with F11 was a desire to get
> the relatively new GNOME gvfs stuff -- so I can manipulate remote
> windows shares with any tool, not just GnomeVFS aware tools.
> 
> On a higher level I am amazed and impressed by the creative outpouring
> from the various Open Source communities, although it is also a stark
> reminder of the fact that programmers hate, hate, hate documentation :-)


This is an interesting debate that you all are having here. But has
anyone, other than me that is, noticed the complete absence to the OP,
Mr. Charlie Butterfield, after his original rants? Or would this be
trolling?   ;-)

BTW. Great job on Fedora 11.

-- 


  David


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