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Re: Abandon "Default Desktop"

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Callum Lerwick <seg haxxed com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 19:44 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Callum Lerwick wrote:
>> > And as Joel's essay points out, no amount of explaining or lecturing is
>> > going to make the user care. You can't make them care. They will never
>> > care. They want Firefox. They've heard of Firefox. They don't want GNOME
>> > or KDE, they don't want Epiphany, they don't want Konqueror, they want
>> > Firefox, they want their Myspace, and they want their webmail.
>> And they want their Window$ and their [insert random Window$-only software,
>> no matter whether we have a better equivalent or not]. Trying to target
>> that kind of users is a lost cause.
> Those users are irrelevant to this discussion, they're not trying to use
> Fedora.
> The last thing we want to do, after finally convincing them to make the
> big choice of trying Fedora, is confuse them and scare them off with KDE
> vs GNOME politics.

Hey I leave the lists for a year??? and we are back to the same
discussion with the same people and the same points.

Not that this ever works, but could everyone calm down and think for a
bit. If things have not changed in the last year, why? Its easy to say
its a Red Hat (or insert capitalist corporation logo here) conspiracy
but its more likely that the way people are approaching the problem
are either not making their case or actually making it worse.

Has anyone worked on creating patches to anaconda or firstboot to make
these choices easy? The code path would be something where a) someone
could say 'I only want X' or 'I want X & Y' or 'I want to show {LONG

Is anyone willing to maintain those patches outside of upstream for
any length of time?

If those questions can be answered then the harder ones can be dealt with

How does one present choices that are not biasing? I mean if we are
going for equal footing then how do you deal with things like people
choosing the first thing predominantly or Left to Right etc?

Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed
in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. "The Merchant of Venice"

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