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Re: Vote for the bug (was Re: Local users get to play root?)

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Jesse Keating wrote:

> On Nov 19, 2009, at 17:15, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik pobox com> wrote:
>> On 11/19/2009 07:48 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
>>> On Nov 19, 2009, at 13:51, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik pobox com> wrote:
>>>> Note to all...
>>>> Please add your vote to
>>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047 (Active local
>>>> console users get to install signed software on a machine they do not
>>>> have the root password to)
>>>> I agree with Rahul that it is less productive to "+1" on this email
>>>> thread.
>>> Yes because what we really need here is more noise...
>>> Please do /not/ pile on to the bug. It will not help no matter what your
>>> opinion is.
>> huh?
>> Are you not familiar with the concept of bugzilla votes?  Try clicking
>> on the '(vote)' link sometime.
> I'm familiar. I also know that it isn't goig to accomplish anything in
> this case.

It can't hurt anything though, and if it lets people feel as if their
voices are being heard, then perhaps there wouldn't be as much traffic
on the mailing lists about the issue.  The thing is if someone wants to
have their voice heard about a given issue, and they have a way of
expressing themselves publicly about it somewhere, they're likely to
exercise that ability even if other people don't want to hear what they
have to say, and when people try to oust them for it or silence them,
they're even more likely to express their opinions even louder than
before, and bring 1000 minions along with them to make their voices
heard louder than before.

The more anyone at all tries to silence anyone else at all in a public
forum, for any reason - the more likely the line of conflict between the
differing opinions is to cause increasing noise.

Some may say "I don't want to read the noise though", and the answer to
that is always "don't, use procmail, or mentally skip over it, hit
delete" etc. because the more someone tries to control another person by
telling them to go away, the more they are giving their own power away
_too_ that other person simply by needing the other person to stop
talking in order for them to feel pleasant.  It's easier to let people
say what they want, and just not read it, and go do something else than
to try to control people.

I think the best way to have a loud thread end, is for people who want
it to end to just stop reading it or caring about it, and let those who
still feel they have something to say express themselves.  Once they've
done so and have nothing more to say, they'll naturally stop on their
own when they're ready.

There are probably 100 billion email and newsgroup threads out there
that are tracked by Google which can illustrate this psychological
phenomenon.  ;o)

It's easy to feel emotional about these types of things, but it really
is best to just ignore things we don't want to see and move on.

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