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Re: translation-quick-start-guide improvement



Karsten Wade wrote:
On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 14:59 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote:

Hi fedora-docs team

During the translation process of translation-quick-start-guide, I have encountered a couple points not covered well or possibly info changed.

o For "4.1. Downloading Documentation", cvs repository path is explained as "ext:username cvs fedora redhat com:/cvs/docs", but it was corrected in sometime here to "cvs.fedoraproject.org". Could you mind to clarify this?


They are the same machine.  We are moving to using 'fedoraproject.org'
instead of 'fedora.redhat.com' by convention.

Thanks Karsten!
Filed the bug, asking to update.


o For "2.3. Accounts for Documentation", it would be nice if the section could contain more information/link about cvsdocs account. Translators from existing translation project (for software) may need more step by step instruction. I will file a bug for the author.


The author can use this page as a source for instructions:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing

The first question addresses how to get an account.  I recommend using
that information, then linking to the WikiEditing page from the
trans-q-s-g for any other questions.

Added this information in the bug.


o For publishing process, does the translator need to obtain the account of wiki-edit for adding the translation into Publish Que? If so then, the instruction of wiki-edit account may also be needed to add?


The PublishQueue page is a short-term work around until the content
management system (CMS) is ready.  The CMS lets us have a workflow of
author/translate <-> edit -> publish, all through a single system.

This is excellent!
I can't wait.

I do not think we can continue to use this work around with many
thousands of translators. :)  This is one reason why it is highly
important to get translation CVS moved to cvs.fedoraproject.org, so we
can use your existing processes and tools.

Yes, strongly agreed.

Currently, when translating documentation or strings from software, how
does each language team:

1. Have another translator approve/agree that the translation is
accurate?

2. Signal that the translation is accurate and ready to be incorporated
back into the software package?

For software transaltion, we do have the interface to manage.
http://elvis.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status

1. If particular module has it's trans-maintainer, he/she will approve the translation. For example, you can see it by going to the status of JA => click anaconda/ module, then there is 'Translation Status' field saying QA [Approve].
http://elvis.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status?page=module&locale=ja&module=anaconda&referrer=status&branch=HEAD&essential=0
2. If the module has no maintainer, the translator can post the diff into f-t-ja asking others to review. This is more likely to say common practice performed among Japanese team. So it may not apply other languages.
3. Package maintainer needs to pick up latest translation for build.

For documentation, we need to rely on trans-q-s-g, and this is the reason I am working on it.

o PublishQueue page should work for cvsdoc. Btw, who will actually publish it into appropriate place, for example trans-q-s-g-ja?

o For wiki translation, almost same procedure with the above 2 of software (asking for proofread) seems working for Japanese team.


To get back to your specific question -- right now, yes, a translator
who is working in cvs.fedoraproject.org/cvs/docs needs to edit that Wiki
page when a document is ready for publishing.  Fortunately, getting Wiki
edit privileges is the easy part, once the CLA is signed and the CVS
account is obtained, anyone with a Wiki edit account can put the new
person in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroup.

Filed the bug, asking for new section on publishing.
Once CMS is ready, trans-q-s-g can be updated easier.

Can you add this to your bug report so the step can be added/explained
more in the trans-q-s-g?

Yp!
All information added.
I also will be able to give a hand to the author further if he wish.

cheers
noriko


Thanks!
- Karsten



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