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FDSCo Meeting 2008-12-10 IRC log



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Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener
http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
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11:04 < quaid> <meeting id="Docs">
11:04 < quaid> prepping for a 'bot :)
11:04  * quaid notes Sparks is present
11:04 < quaid> [[USer:Kwade|quaid]] esta aqui
11:04 < stickster> present!
11:05 < jjmcd> et moi, aussi
11:05 -!- danielsmw [n=danielsm cu-nat-2 clemson edu] has joined #fedora-meeting
11:05 -!- notting [n=notting redhat/notting] has left #fedora-meeting ["Ex-Chat"]
11:05 < quaid> word to that
11:06 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Wednesday.2C_10_December_2008
11:07  * jsmith is here
11:07 < quaid> ok, then
11:08 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg - helper docs
11:08 < quaid> stickster: we have a Catch-22, don't we?
11:08 < quaid> are we going to try to put off some of this work for the virtual hackfest this month?
11:09 -!- loupgaroublond [n=loupgaro 82-171-65-13 ip telfort nl] has joined #fedora-meeting
11:11  * danielsmw is here but listening in the background
11:11 < quaid> word
11:11 < quaid> I'm thinking ...
11:11 < quaid> we need to really figure that we'll do improvements to our actual self-help-ourselves docs
11:11 < quaid> during the group hackfest
11:12 < Sparks> yes
11:12 < quaid> a good first step is to get the page renaming done
11:12  * Sparks creates a topic portion of the hackfest page
11:12 < quaid> which I started on, and can take as a deliverable for next week.
11:12 < quaid> that will show the holes better, etc.
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11:16 < Sparks> Do we want to do any page migration to xml during the hackfest?
11:16 < quaid> hmm
11:16 < quaid> if there is an F9 User Guide, why not?
11:16 < Sparks> Maybe we can update it for F10 at the same time (or near the same time)
11:17 < quaid> yes, another good one
11:17 < danielsmw> chiming in
11:17 < danielsmw> as for the f9 user guide
11:17 < danielsmw> there really isn't that much progress on it
11:17 < danielsmw> and a few pages are already on f10
11:18 < danielsmw> so perhaps during the hackfest
11:18 < danielsmw> we can go ahead and do what sparks suggests
11:18 < danielsmw> update to f9, put that somewhere and start converting
11:18 < danielsmw> and then go ahead and update to f10
11:18 < quaid> ok
11:18  * Sparks writes idea to wiki
11:18 < quaid> danielsmw: while the topic is open, have you thought about the F8 push?
11:18 < danielsmw> the f8 push to xml?
11:19  * quaid is now off topic :)
11:19 < quaid> danielsmw: no, just to a specific wiki place
11:19 < danielsmw> quaid: i hadn't though of it, but that can be done.  i saw that on the list.  we'll just move it to a subdirector called F8-User-Guide or something
11:19 < danielsmw> quaid: i'm pretty busy this week, but I can do that first half of next week
11:20 < quaid> danielsmw: sure, that works; I can work with you on a good wiki name and such forth
11:21 < danielsmw> quaid: its settled then, see you next week.
11:22 < quaid> Sparks: what is the hackfest page url?
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11:23 < quaid> anything more on this topic?
11:23 < Sparks> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Holiday_Virtual_Hackfest
11:23 < quaid> ACTION: quaid to work with everyone on page naming by 17 Dec
11:24 < quaid> ACTION: helping docs worked on during virt hackfest
11:25 < quaid> Sparks: I'm moving the 'deadline' on that to 23 Dec, so that is the day for us to have things all finalized before the following weekend comes
11:26 < Sparks> works for me
11:26  * quaid living in his Judeo-Christian country will also be distracted from 23 to 26ish
11:26  * Sparks considers renaming the page to something more... appropriate
11:26 < quaid> heh
11:26 < quaid> Docs_Project_holiday_virtual_hackfest?
11:27 < jjmcd> Something like Docs/Hackfest/Holiday/2008/Virtual ?
11:27 < Sparks> Yeah, what jjmcd said.
11:27 < Sparks> :)
11:27  * quaid kicks jjmcd under the table
11:27 < jjmcd> ow
11:27 < quaid> heh, oh dear
11:28 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg - F11 planning
11:28 < quaid> for example ...
11:28 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg - F11 planning :: CMS
11:28 < quaid> jsmith: so you are looking for a CMS that has XML on the backend with CMS wysiwyg editing?
11:30 < jsmith> quaid: Yes, in a nutshell
11:30 < quaid> I'm looking for collaborators
11:30 < quaid> to help find a solution
11:30 < quaid> so this is where we have some crossover, maybe ...
11:30 < jsmith> I'm happy to share what I've found.
11:31 < quaid> let
11:31 < quaid> let's gather stuff on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites
11:32 < jjmcd> Are the objectives documented somewhere
11:32  * quaid adding another section at the end
11:32 < quaid> jjmcd: I think that page does it
11:32  * quaid also updates schedule section
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11:35 < quaid> laubersm: discussing # Tweak through F10 release
11:35 < quaid> # After F10, migrate www. to tweaked solution
11:35 < quaid> wooks
11:35 < quaid> woops, even!
11:35 < quaid> let's gather stuff on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CMS_solution_for_Fedora_Project_websites
11:35  * quaid now adding a fourth section for list of possible CMS solutions
11:36 < ke4qqq> are we going to adjust the schedule along with that?
11:36 < quaid> jsmith: as you see, we didn't really have Docbook as an high ideal, low expectations there basically
11:36 < quaid> jsmith: we tried to hack that in to Plone with zero real success
11:36 < jsmith> RIght
11:36 < quaid> ke4qqq: I did somewhat, reload the page
11:36 < quaid> and then tell me what you think about it :)
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11:37 < ke4qqq> ok - that at least seems more within the realm of the possible.
11:38 < quaid> :D
11:38 < quaid> the thing is ...
11:38 < quaid> I'd LOVE to train people on using it on Sat. of the fudcon varcamp
11:38 < quaid> and it's a fair hackfest to do on Friday, when websites and infra are there to help us solve problems
11:38 < quaid> so we could go live with a working yet work to do instance that day
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11:42 < quaid> all right, I guess more list discussion is in order :)
11:42 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Docs mtg :: Task table https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_admin_tasks_for_experienced_contributors#Task_table
11:43 < quaid> it's updated to this meeting so far
11:43 < quaid> toolchain next steps is going to be part of the virt hackfest, I reckon
11:44 < quaid> how about publican migration?
11:44 < quaid> are we trying to load too much in to those days?
11:44 < quaid> by we, I mean me, of course :)
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11:45 < ke4qqq> I don't know - whats the level of effort/time for publican migration
11:45 < Sparks> Well...  The Security Guide (in some form) has been changed to XML.
11:46 < quaid> ke4qqq: ok, so let's talk about the Installation Guide as an example
11:46 < quaid> here is the rough overview:
11:46 < quaid> * XML files need to be renamed
11:46 < quaid> * Some sections need renaming
11:46 < quaid> * Small amount of XML fixes possible
11:46 < quaid> * Some new files need creating (small)
11:47 < quaid> that's probably it
11:47 < quaid> the release notes are already using the Properly_named.xml style
11:47 < quaid> so that one would be easier; I was Publican-proofing this time :)
11:47 < ke4qqq> Is there documentation on migrating - everything I have seen on publican is starting from scratch
11:47 < quaid> ke4qqq: exactly, there is not
11:47 < quaid> so we want to self-doc, too
11:47 < ke4qqq> that sounds like a half day worth of work easy
11:47 < quaid> yes, that's about my estimate
11:47 < ke4qqq> more if we have to document along the way
11:48 < quaid> we do have the option of pushing this closer to F11, or doing it as a hackfest onsite at FUDCon
11:49 < ke4qqq> I'd rather us take a simple doc and do it to write the documentation
11:49 < ke4qqq> and maybe do the rest as a hackfest or as we have time
11:49 < quaid> do we have a simple doc that would work with?
11:49 < stickster> Guys, I'm sorry I've been quiet meeting wise, I just got off a phone call
11:49 < quaid> np
11:50 < quaid> and now you have to jet!
11:50 < stickster> I know, it sucks :-(
11:50 < ke4qqq> I don't know - IG may be the simple doc
11:50  * stickster 's whole week has gone this way
11:50 < laubersm> ke4qqq: +1 on last - simple one and document now; rest later and expand documentation if needed
11:50 < quaid> welll, it helps Publican overall, since other people would want to migrate
11:50 < jsmith> stickster: Mine too!
11:50 < quaid> ok, let's set the virtual hackfest goal
11:50 < ke4qqq> yeah mine has been the same way stickster - something evil this week.
11:51 < quaid> to be to write a migration doc and *start* migrating $something
11:52  * Sparks moves that idea to the wiki
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11:53 < quaid> ok, next task table item 
11:53 < quaid> is the team per document
11:53 < quaid> I'll write an email on that to the list right now, since the early deadline is approaching
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11:55 < ke4qqq> we have a struggle there that I don't know that we've even identified a lead for every document yet have we?
11:55 < quaid> yep
11:55 < quaid> that's part of it, the task
11:55 < quaid> is a bit unclear there
11:55 < quaid> it's lead *and* team, but lead is key IMO to keeping it alive
11:55 < quaid> if no one person is willing to try to get a team ...
11:55 < ke4qqq> I agree
11:56 < quaid> also, lead != all is good, since no one person should have to do it her/his self
11:56 < ke4qqq> right
11:57 < ke4qqq> and refresh my memory - was the thought that we'd drop a document if it had no lead?
11:57 < quaid> yeah
11:57 < quaid> since a team without a lead here is too problematic
11:57 < jjmcd> Where is the list of docs and current (if any) leads?
11:57 < quaid> if folks want to act as a collective and can put together a plan that will work, that's probably OK
11:57  * stickster drops off to pick up daughter
11:57 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk
11:57 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_content_tasks_for_experienced_contributors
11:58 < ke4qqq> so you are still listed on a ton of documents quaid, which of those are you really the lead for?
11:59 < quaid> I'll remove myself
11:59 < quaid> none, really
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11:59 < quaid> that is ... I did that with the standard "guy in charge takes on all that no one else is doing"
11:59 < quaid> so I can do that later if we think it's worthy, but I'm not really supposed to be taking on *more* Docs work :)
12:00 < ke4qqq> thats what I thought - I think we need to strip your name from them - otherwise people will assume you have it covered :)
12:00  * quaid strips
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12:03 < Sparks> yikes
12:06 < quaid> sorry, crazy
12:06 < quaid> actually my mouse was working, but full desktop lock
12:06 < quaid> ok, time to close the meeting here
12:06  * quaid figures FAMSCo coming in?
12:07 < quaid> head back to #fedora-docs to finish up discussions
12:07 < quaid> </meeting>

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