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FDSCo Meeting 2008-05-21 IRC log



http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20080520

12:02 < quaid> <meeting>
12:02 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo hangin'
out -- roll call and opening number
12:03 < quaid> KarstenWade, estoy aqui
12:03  * stickster present and accounted for
12:03  * couf 
12:03 < jsmith> JaredSmith... estoy aqui tambien
12:03 < jsmith> (Well, for various definitions of "here")
12:04 < quaid> ok, I have weird networking stuff but this ssh seems ok,
so ...
12:05  * jsmith twiddles the bits on quaid's router
12:05 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo talking
-- Elections
12:05 < stickster> Ah, elections.
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12:06  * stickster hopes quaid didn't disappera
12:06 < quaid> no, I'm here
12:06 < stickster> From the Spanish for "disappear."  (apologies.0
12:06 < quaid> I want to troubleshoot but then I'd drop
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12:08 < quaid> ok, anyway
12:08 -!- SMParrish [n=steven cpe-069-134-255-095 nc res rr com] has
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12:08 < quaid> I'm beginning to feel like we have too many elections
around here :)
12:08 -!- Irssi: #fedora-meeting: Total of 100 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops,
0 voices, 99 normal]
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12:08 < couf> I second that
12:08 < quaid> and I'm a bit unclear if we have achieved the steps to
setup a new Chair around here.
12:09 < quaid> so I'm open for discussion on the topic in that vein and
others
12:10 < couf> unfortunately the new-to-be chair isn't around :-/
12:10 < stickster> Yeah, it's difficult to have this conversation
without him
12:11 < quaid> ok
12:11 < stickster> Has anyone thought about Docs in light of Jef
Spaleta's role-based SIG idea, and whether we might actually enjoy
*better* success -- and a better ruler against which to measure
ourselves -- as a SIG?
12:11 < stickster> That could be total crazy talk.
12:11 < quaid> stickster: um, see ...
12:11 < quaid> that is crazy talk
12:11 < stickster> OK
12:12 < quaid> Docs is a clear example of a subproject
12:12 < quaid> in the role-based SIG world
12:12 < quaid> there would be a Documentor in each SIG focused on that
SIG content
12:12 < quaid> and that person is *also* a memmber of the Docs Project
(Subproj)
12:12 < quaid> make sense?
12:13 < Southern_Gentlem> or should be
12:13 < quaid> that said, we were discussing governance here a few hours
ago, and Jeff didn't even know that we require elections for Projects
12:13 < quaid> Southern_Gentlem: refer to "in the role-based SIG world"
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12:14 < couf> so basiclly we would be a resource subproject working for
the SIGs?
12:15 < quaid> that's basically it
12:15 < stickster> Well, I think what quaid is saying is that we'd
"embed" with them
12:15 < stickster> Is that a good characterization of it?
12:15 < quaid> sure
12:15  * couf tries to get the whole role-based SIG concept here
12:15 < couf> right, gotcha
12:15 < quaid> the idea is to get people working on what interests them
12:16 < quaid> and filling roles there more than "packaging"
12:17 < couf> +1
12:17 < quaid> so, elections and governance ...
12:17 < quaid> on-list?
12:17 < quaid> move to, that is
12:18 < stickster> +1
12:18 < couf> maybe, but we *should* get a clear POV from John, personal
mail could help
12:18 < couf> just to make sure we don't keep pushing this back
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12:22 < Southern_Gentlem> what can be done to lower the barriers for
people to get involved in the docs project
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12:22 < jmbuser> JohnBabich late
12:23 < Southern_Gentlem> some people see it a litte extreme to have to
get on cvs just to get a tutorial on how to do docs
12:23 < stickster> Southern_Gentlem: You missed last week's meeting :-)
12:23 < stickster> jmbuser! hi!
12:24 < quaid> hey jmbuser 
12:24 < jmbuser> quaid: hey
12:24 < quaid> we're discussing governance
12:24 < jmbuser> stickster: hi
12:24 < jmbuser> carry on...
12:24 < stickster> Southern_Gentlem:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-May/msg00032.html
12:24 < quaid> do we need elections, etc.
12:25 < quaid> this often, etc.
12:25 < quaid> I still think it might be an on list discussion
12:25 < quaid> to have.
12:27 < stickster> Me sees that 20 minutes have gone by one topic, and
not much said about it. Sounds like a clear "silence gives consent" for
the ML.
12:27 < quaid> right on
12:27 < jmbuser> +1
12:27 < quaid> elections discussion on list etc.
12:27 < lfoppiano> Hi all, sry fro delay....
12:27 < lfoppiano> *for
12:28 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo chilling
-- Relnotes, Guides, other content
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12:29 < lfoppiano> uhm...I lost elections... .-/
12:29 < lfoppiano> :s/lost/miss/g
12:29 < quaid> lfoppiano: we're moving the topic to the mailing list
12:29 < quaid> ok, wsa there something to sayabout the relnotes?
12:30  * quaid hsa to be excused for typos, bad connetion, no tim e to
edit
12:30 < lfoppiano> no
12:30 < stickster> mdious has been keeping up with these, and we should
have a new package rolled later in the week
12:30 < couf> mdious has been syncing in the last bits
12:30 < stickster> Or maybe weekend
12:31 < quaid> ok, UG and other end-user content is second priority
after Fedora contributor-oriented content
12:31 < quaid> I created
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks/SIGSupport 
12:31 < quaid> just so we can track who is "embedded" where
12:32 < quaid> note that Docs is supporting any contributor area, SIG
and subproject alike; just put it all on that one page for now.
12:33 < couf> do we want to formalize a process for these guys, and
join-pages updates etc
12:33  * stickster has to make a call, will continue lurking here
12:34 < quaid> couf: we could; we also need to talk to the various grops
and see what they want to do
12:34 < quaid> can someone add JohnStanley to that page as writing for
BugTriage?
12:35 < couf> sure
12:36 < couf> that is if the wiki wants to let me
12:36 < quaid> it'll be better than what I have right now
12:36  * couf can't wait next weeks move
12:36 < quaid> so, update on that
12:37 < quaid> we are doing a premigration on the 23rd
12:37 < quaid> (barring problems)
12:37 < quaid> then doing a re-import of what has changed from 23 to 27
on the 27th
12:37 < quaid> that way we have some days to get things nicer before the
actual migration is called
12:37 -!- knurd is now known as knurd_afk
12:37 < quaid> the old wiki will be up for some time in read-only,
hidden from search engines mode
12:39 < couf> wow, fast save for slow wiki
12:39 < quaid> ok, so then the next thing is ...
12:39 < quaid> we need to tell folks that Docs is here to help them
solve their internal docs problems
12:39 < quaid> maybe just make the GIG a first output along those lines
12:40 < quaid> so, let's add to that SIGSupport page a link to the
section in the GIG that corresponds, so we can have the same people own
that content creation
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12:42 < couf> +1
12:43 < jmbuser> +1
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12:44  * jmbuser makes slowest response in Fedora meeting history
12:44  * quaid is still waiting for his last typing to appear on the
screen
12:44 < quaid> oh, wait, it did
12:45 < quaid> ok, then ...
12:45 < couf> so shall we first get some basic "this is how you join
Fedora"-instructions into the GIG, then spread the new mantra/offering
to the world, and move on?
12:45 < quaid> couf: well, those are already there; GIG can have that,
but should focus more on the SIGs/Subprojects
12:45 < quaid> oh
12:45 < quaid> you mean
12:45 < quaid> write that in first, stub out the pages, then announce,
"come and fill and get some help with your contrib docs"?
12:46  * quaid sniffs a possible plan
12:46 < couf> yeah
12:46 < quaid> +1
12:46 < jmbuser> cool
12:47 < quaid> anyone feel they have the time to focus on the GIG to
make that happen in a short timeframe?
12:47 < couf> I could have a stab at it
12:48 < quaid> coo' couf
12:48 < quaid> Action: couf stab at GIG basic intro/join Fedora
12:48 < couf> check
12:48 < quaid> Action: then we send out announcements about the change
in Docs focus/role
12:48 < quaid> Action: meanwhile, feel free to blog about it at some
point :)
12:49  * jmbuser needs to start blogging again
12:49 < quaid> word
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12:49 < quaid> get addicted!
12:49 < quaid> ok, anything more on this topic?
12:49  * quaid adds some more actionnotes
12:49 < quaid> Action: election and governance to the list
12:50 < quaid> any other ones I missed?
12:50 < couf> not that I know off
12:50 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo chats --
All Other Bidness
12:51 < quaid> ten minutes to go and the flo' is open
12:51 < couf> time frame on cvs kill?
12:52 < quaid> hmm
12:53 < quaid> reality? F10 or later because of content actively in
there, right?
12:53 < quaid> we are maintaining docs back to F8
12:53 < quaid> so we might need it opened until F9 EOLs
12:53 < quaid> that said!
12:53 < couf> ah right gpl and all that
12:54 < quaid> we can move on from here, migrate guides for new work in
to fedorahosted.org
12:54 < quaid> couf: also, it works to build from there for those
versions, why risk a move?  it will be for maintainers only at that
point anyway
12:54 < quaid> that's my off-the-cuff assessment
12:55 < couf> sure :)
12:55 < quaid> I'd say, any guides we want to publish for F9+ should get
a stand alone fedorahosted.org project, SCM of choice, and rock on
12:56 < quaid> not sure if we have to update any part of bugzilla there
or not
12:56 < couf> and toolchain needs to get in there too
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12:58 < couf> so I might try that after the GIG stuff
12:58 < quaid> aye, that's true
12:58 < couf> as part of my will to work on the toolchain
12:58 < quaid> ok, that's about it
12:58 < quaid> anything else for today?
12:59 < quaid> I'ma closin'
12:59 < couf> +1
12:59 < quaid> 30
12:59 < quaid> ~~ time warp ~~
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12:59 < quaid> </meeting>

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