Docs Meeting 2009-10-01 IRC Log

Thu Oct 1 01:16:21 UTC 2009

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00:01:39  #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
00:01:39  Meeting started Thu Oct  1 00:01:39 2009 UTC.  The chair is
Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
00:01:39  Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
00:01:45  #topic Roll Call!
00:01:47 * Sparks
00:02:04 * jjmcd est ici ou la
00:02:36 * ke4qqq is here - believe it or not
00:03:09 * rudi is here
00:03:15 * Sparks just updated the agenda... :)
00:03:18 * quaid esta aqui
00:04:39 * ianweller is here but not watching, mention me if a
response is needed...
00:05:08  Okay, let's get started.
00:05:15  #topic Release notes format changes
00:05:22  Couple things on RNs
00:05:31  We are building every night for L10N
00:05:32  jjmcd: Remind me, again, what this is and do we need to keep
it on the agenda
00:05:54  Most mornings I have been posting  errors to trans list
00:06:15  Props to jjmcd -- this is *excellent*
00:06:16  I notice yesterday juhp and rudi had q1uite a chat about the tables
00:06:21  as did I
00:06:47  Result, really no changes.  juhp thought comps might be a
better source than primary.sqlite, but it is very incomplete
00:07:00  And now, Sparks, I think you can remove this from the list
00:07:08  Thanks rudi, but purely selfish
00:07:19  jjmcd: This is awesome work!
00:07:22  We get a lot of hard errors fixed by someone else
00:07:23  jjmcd++
00:07:33   It relocates the work where it really should be?
00:07:47  If I can get someone else to do the work !!  ;-))
00:08:03  :)
00:08:07  ANd some of the translators are really digging in
00:08:13  So...  is the plan still to post everything to docs.fp.o and
to provide a link in the HELP menu and not the document itself?
00:08:37  I thought we were going to figure out the KDE alternative for yelp
00:08:48  I don't know
00:08:49  or just do yelp
00:08:56  I think that was the result
00:09:08  I know we had discussed a few different ways of doing it
00:09:23  I did intend to go back through the logs -- yeah, we talked
about a half-doze approaches
00:09:34  but I had this nagging feeling I had to much with KDE
00:09:34  I'm concerned about the translations and the RPMs
00:09:48  If we make the rpm like F11 no prob
00:10:14  one BIG one or multiple RPMs for different languages?
00:10:30  one big one, like we always have, except not as many formats
00:10:40  Soyou get your lang automatically
00:10:49  Okay
00:11:02  Won't be a shock to anyone that way
00:11:07  yeah
00:11:21  okay, any other questions?
00:12:08  #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
00:12:18  #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
00:12:23  Any update on this?
00:12:47  none to speak of
00:12:59  at least not from me
00:13:06  someone was working on packaging the editor we needed.
00:13:06  mchua|away: and gang are making progress
00:13:19  danielsmw was working the editor iirc
00:13:55  ianweller: Were you going to review the editor package?
00:14:25  was i?
00:14:38  i don't really remember.
00:14:48  ianweller: I think danielsmw was supposed to get with you to
work out the errors he was getting...
00:14:58  i never heard from him.
00:15:00  ...and possibly get you to review the package
00:15:01  Okay
00:15:29  I think it was last week Friday that I expected danielsmw to
ask for help, never saw him, but I thought ianweller was going to
review
00:15:53  i'll happily help out when needed :)
00:15:54  okay
00:16:06  can one of you follow up with him this week, please?
00:16:32  I'll keep an eye out for him, but haven't seen much lately
00:16:50  ke4qqq: Isn't danielsmw down there with you?
00:17:01  he recently started back to college and he's on the 3 year
plan - so things are probably a tad busy
00:17:11  I would think so
00:17:11  I'll call him this week and see what's up
00:17:15  ke4qqq: Thanks
00:17:31  #action ke4qqq to follow up with danielsmw on the editor
package for Zikula
00:17:39  Okay, anything else on this topic?
00:18:32  #topic Status on CC license rollout.
00:18:40  #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
00:19:29  ianweller: Are we ready to make the internal announcement?
00:20:00  quaid: Have you done the follow up with the RPM guide?
00:20:39  hrm
00:20:47  ok, here's the two bits.
00:21:09  1. I need to contact Eric Foster-Johnson about relicensing
RPM Guide .. he didn't do a CLA, for example.
00:21:44  quaid: Where is the RPM Guide?  I don't remember what that
is, exactly.
00:21:48  2. We have some issues to work through still with the Max
RPM content; there is a contributor who doesn't want to have their
content relicensed nor have attribution.
00:21:57  we have it in cvs or git or something
00:22:24  We were going to add more development and include the Max RPM content?
00:22:38  yeah, the idea was to have both to meld in to one, new,
shiny RPM Guide.
00:22:55  What are the current licenses?
00:23:31  Sparks: hi
00:23:42  sorry
00:23:55  OPL clean for RPM Guide, OPL + non-free clauses for Max RPM
00:24:11  Well that's a problem.
00:24:32  not if they are relicensed to the same CC BY SA :)
00:24:45  someone (Sparks) tell me if we're ready and i will make the
announcement on docs-list devel-announce advisory-board etc
00:25:03  quaid: Yeah...  IF
00:25:30  Okay...  so here's the deal.  I want the license change over
done within the next two weeks.  Is that feasible?
00:26:01  We can change the license and then reject the RPM guides if
they don't want to play ball, imo.
00:26:16  rudi: Can you have publican updated within a week or two?
00:26:18  oh, yeah
00:26:20  do we have to relicense them?
00:26:26  RPM stuff is totally non-critical path
00:26:32  Yep -- I'm just waiting for someone to pull the trigger
00:26:42  move ahead with relicensing without worrying about RPM content
00:26:50  Okay.
00:27:02  #action ianweller to figure out how to change the license on the wiki
00:27:03  :)
00:27:05  ianweller: Go ahead and put the word out internally
00:27:05  that was all a courtesy/interest; that's RPM.org stuff,
people here just said, "I'd like to help," so I took on that
relicensing too :)
00:27:12  Sparks: ok
00:27:34  will do that in a couple of hours
00:27:38  This license change will NOT affect stuff in git... etc.
00:27:42  ianweller: Thanks
00:27:47  Sparks: is that on the announcement draft?
00:27:49  let's go over that.
00:27:54  cuz that's what i'm gonna copy/paste.
00:28:02  The license change will affect stuff on the wiki and stuff we publish
00:28:05  that requires i find it
00:28:22  ianweller: Doh!  I didn't link to it anywhere!
00:28:49  #action rudi to change the license information in the
publican brands for Fedora
00:29:11  Sparks -- so is that a green light now?
00:29:20 * ianweller hunts in his email box
00:29:24  rudi: Yes
00:29:27  OK
00:29:40
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ianweller/Creative_Commons_press_release
- -- the bottom one.
00:29:47  let's discuss that.
00:30:02  rudi: I'm going to shoot a message to the list to make sure
that all guide owners are aware of the upcoming change.  Just reply to
that when you get it all straight, please.
00:30:13  Will do
00:31:25  ianweller: Looks good.  Should we make a wiki page that says
why we are doing this and maybe some FAQs and post that link in that
announcement?
00:31:38  Sparks: that would be pretty awesome.
00:31:52  i'm working on an english project right now so if somebody
could do that tonight i will buy them a drink
00:32:10  Of course we'd need some folks to ask questions so we'd know
what is a FAQ
00:32:19  "what's CC"
00:32:25  "why is the OPL bad"
00:32:30  "why is CC better"
00:32:30  "why is it better than OPL"
00:32:32  "what's the scope of this change"
00:32:38  uh, did't I write all that?
00:32:45  you did yeah.
00:32:52  but not as a FAQ!
00:32:53  i think.
00:32:53  quaid: Where?
00:32:59  Sparks: on the announcement
00:33:03  FAQe (pronounced "fake")
00:33:06  one sec
00:33:07  lole
00:33:24  quaid: Yeah, you did.
00:33:26  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Relicensing_OPL_to_CC_BY_SA
00:33:29  #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Relicensing_OPL_to_CC_BY_SA
00:33:32  well HEY
00:33:48  some of those links don't look right ...
00:33:53  maybe I left stubs for more?
00:33:57  whoa.
00:34:04  Ummm
00:34:17  I don't think we are relicensing Fedora Hosted... are we?
00:34:24  no, see
00:34:24  stubs
00:34:25  I could see some potential problems.
00:34:28  Oh
00:34:29  for all of the guides we have there
00:34:38  just fill in whatever
00:34:54  but yeah i still need somebody awesome to turn that page
into an FAQ perhaps
00:34:58  yeah, last history is 'interim save' meaning I never got it
to deserving a full comment block
00:35:11  quaid: hah
00:35:14  quaid: Can I use your blog text on the page?
00:35:57  Sparks: natch!
00:36:14  I hereby license it under CC BY SA, with attribution being a
link back to the original post
00:36:43 * quaid dual licenses it under OPL for the time being
00:36:50  so it can be put on the page until he license change :D
00:36:56  isn't copyright fun!
00:37:04  quaid: I'm going to need that in writing, please.  :)
00:37:18  that isn't writing? ;)
00:37:59  I need a paper
00:38:20  On advice from my attorney-in-training...
00:38:25  nope, IRC log is good enough
00:38:31  on advice from my monkey council
00:38:46  :)
00:39:10 * Sparks really didn't ask her as she's currently writing a
motion for her case and I'd hate to become a part of that case
00:39:40 * ianweller makes a motion
00:39:43 * ianweller dances on the floor
00:39:56  quaid: ok so i'm volunteering you to faqize that faqe
00:40:25  ha
00:40:29  good luck with that
00:40:36  ;)
00:40:46  hey, you know what would help here?
00:40:51  a drink?
00:40:54  can we get a quick list of the guides in f'hosted?
00:40:56  yeh, that too
00:41:00  that we want to switch?
00:42:00 * quaid edits the page to put them in
00:42:08  Okay, I just pasted that into the wiki page but it's ugly...
I'll be fixing that later.
00:42:12  um, if it's done for now?
00:42:13  ok
00:42:26 * quaid is adding in the fhosted list so will fix some formatting now
00:42:49  quaid: Do we want to selectively list the guides we are
relicensing or just say "all guides"?
00:44:02  hmm
00:44:13  I have it as a task to email *all* contributors, past and present
00:44:14  as a courtesy
00:44:21  so it would help if we had a definitive list
00:44:24  I think ...
00:44:53  Is that even possible?
00:45:17  theoretically
00:45:29  I could get a good list of names with a few hours in cvs and f'hosted
00:45:44  I know the security guide has been in so many different
formats and changed/modified that I don't know what kind of paper
trail is even left.
00:45:48  it's a courtesy move; if we cannot reach people, it's not a
game stopper.
00:45:54  ah
00:46:00  yeah, well, I mayn't look for wiki stuff
00:46:01  the SG came from the wiki...
00:46:04  just thinking Install guide, etc.
00:46:08  yeah, I get that
00:46:11  and I mean MOIN wiki
00:46:16  heh
00:46:23 * quaid can get his hands on that stuff, too
00:46:30  ok ...
00:46:40  well, it might be futile; and it's NOT on the critical path.
00:46:44  Not trying to discourage...  :)
00:46:47  ok, back to the question at hand ...
00:46:49  I have:
00:46:52  Wiki
00:46:56  Installation guide
00:46:59  Release notes
00:47:04  Security guide
00:47:07  SELiux guide
00:47:11  adding ...
00:47:14  Deployment guide
00:47:56  else?
00:48:04  Assessibility Guide
00:48:18  is that fhosted.org/accessibility-guide?
00:48:48  I think so... I just put it there a few months ago.  It used
to be in the RN up to F9 or F10
00:49:19  /me looking for 'guide' on fh.o
00:49:30  That's a good start.  :)
00:50:56  quaid: You should see one in there for an Amateur Radio
Guide but there's nothing there, yet, and should be jjmcd and I
working on that so no worries there.
00:51:21  http://svn.fedoraproject.org/svn/Deployment_Guide/ ?
00:51:37  What's the question?
00:51:48  http://fedorahosted.org/deploymentguide
00:52:00  it's weird for both to appear, first seems empty; old?
00:52:10  New!
00:52:16  ah, or that
00:52:27  perspectival is working on that one
00:52:32  Doesn't seem to be here right now
00:53:51  any others?
00:54:21  Add Virtualization Guide
00:54:36  yeah
00:54:41  I'm rolling down the page
00:54:45  about-fedora etc.
00:55:04  what is http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/redhatsecurityguide.git
00:55:05  v.
00:55:14  https://fedorahosted.org/securityguide/
00:55:33  Don't know what the first one is... the second one should be
the "fedora" sg
00:55:47 * quaid wishes we had all stuck with the "- is the space
designator" for hosted project guide names
00:56:05  some with, some without, and now a bunch of New_Style
00:56:09  Publican works better with _
00:56:47 * quaid rolls his eyes and bites his tongue
00:56:57  Yeah, well, I agree
00:57:00  probably not worth changing the other names
00:57:17 * quaid *cough* you know, from the names similar to Fedora
Packaging Standards
00:57:34  ok, we don't have to kill the mtg with this
00:57:41  I'll publish the updated page in a few.
00:57:48  Okay
00:57:53  anything else on this topic?
00:58:08  #link https://fedorahosted.org/rpmguide/
00:58:13  for the record
00:58:49  Okay...  lets cut down to the meat and potatoes...
00:58:55  #topic Guide needs?
00:59:01 * ianweller has to run
00:59:02  Any guides have any needs?
00:59:27  ianweller: See ya
00:59:33  Sparks - use same image conventions as user guide?
00:59:42  i.e. images/chapter
00:59:51  sure
01:00:52  #topic New Guides
01:00:56  Any new guides?
01:01:31  #topic All other business
01:01:39  Any other items that need to be discussed?
01:02:16  5
01:02:20  4
01:02:23  3
01:02:25  2
01:02:28  1
01:02:35  Okay, thanks everyone for coming!
01:02:38  #endmeeting
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