Docs Meeting 2009-10-08 IRC Log
Eric Christensen
eric at christensenplace.us
Sat Oct 10 13:02:37 UTC 2009
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00:01:03 #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
00:01:03 Meeting started Thu Oct 8 00:01:03 2009 UTC. The chair is
Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
00:01:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
00:01:09 #topic Roll Call
00:01:11 * Sparks
00:01:23 * jjmcd is here
00:01:44 * bcotton is here (who is this guy anyway)
00:01:54 And according to my watch, you were within a couple seconds,
probably IRC lag
00:02:04 * danielsmw is here
00:02:27 * Sparks wants to shoot the guy who schedules a meeting in
the middle of an amateur radio contest!
00:02:48 There's always a contest
00:02:50 i wonder who that was
00:02:56 :)
00:03:10 70cm is dead anyway
00:04:40 Okay, let's get started...
00:04:46 #topic Old Business
00:05:10 danielsmw: What the status on the editor for Zikula?
00:05:37 Sparks: i've been working on it for the past hour
00:05:42 :)
00:05:45 Sparks: rpmlint comes out clean now
00:05:53 danielsmw: Very cool!
00:05:55 so I think i may go ahead and put it on bugzilla
00:06:25 Yup.
00:06:30 Excellent.
00:06:48 Let us know if you need any support.
00:06:55 Thanks for packaging it!
00:07:01 Sparks: Will do. I probably will later this evening
00:07:04 No problem1
00:07:54 rudi: I see you changed the license info on the Fedora brand
package for Publican
00:08:14 Yep -- all done
00:08:41 rudi: Excellent
00:08:42 rudi, does that also include the additional localization?
00:08:51 jjmcd -- kinda
00:08:57 ianweller: Did you figure out how to change the license on the wiki?
00:09:02 It includes the feedback file
00:09:08 Sparks: it's in localsettings.php
00:09:10 which is in puppet
00:09:17 ianweller: So you are good to go?
00:09:19 But "Document Conventions" is part of the publican package
00:09:26 not the Fedora brand package.
00:09:35 Sparks: sure i'll work on a patch sometime tonight and test
it somewhere
00:09:37 That seems odd
00:10:08 (I also missed 4 languages in the package I released the
other day, there's a corrected package in Bodhi now that should appear
soon to fix that)
00:10:36 All the langs except Chinese are now building
00:10:48 Well, since "Document Conventions" documents how Publican
renders various XML tags, this doesn't tend to change from brand to
brand.
00:12:03 If someone came up with a very heavily customized brand that
*did* change how those tags were rendered, they could also create a
new "Document Conventions" text to ship with that package
00:12:42 Which would override the one in Common_Content/common
00:13:11 Anyway, I'll see if I can package the extra "Document
Conventions" translations into a new release of Publican 0.44 for us
00:13:33 good deal
00:14:52 Okay...
00:15:01 #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
00:15:15 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
00:15:21 Can anyone provide an update?
00:16:36 Well, I know danielsmw will be submitting the editor for
Zikula for review tonight.
00:16:44 Yup.
00:17:13 Anyone else have an update?
00:17:36 Okay, moving on
00:17:42 #topic Status on CC license rollout.
00:17:50 * #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
00:17:54 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/License_changeover_schedule
00:18:19 kudos to ianweller for his announcement and notoriety
00:18:20 I think ianweller sent out the announcement on Monday.
00:18:29 ianweller: Have you received any feedback?
00:18:34 no
00:18:36 Sparks, showed up in LWN
00:18:41 Cool
00:18:55 i am looking into the wiki crap at the moment if anybody's wondering
00:19:23 Just reach into your bucket of magic pixie dust
00:19:31 I think quaid was working on contacting previous contributors
00:20:27 ianweller: do you have a link for that LWN article?
00:20:45 * ianweller looksies
00:21:02 I think the big thing is going to be #7... Make changes to
the guides. Rebuild all current versions and push them to docs.fp.o
and repos. (All)
00:21:04 http://lwn.net/Articles/355546/
00:21:15 they just copy/pasted my emai
00:21:17 email*
00:21:22 That means that all guides will need to be updated ASAP.
00:21:47 ianweller++
00:22:24 This will be coming up in the near future.
00:23:02 I feel a world of CVS hurt a-comin :)
00:23:02 #action Sparks to send to the list an action request to all
guide leaders for update status of the license
00:23:09 rudi: Yeah
00:23:17 * danielsmw is afk for a bit
00:23:35 Okay, anything else on this topic?
00:23:54 Are we just republishing F11 docs?
00:23:59 Or further back too?
00:24:31 rudi: I think just F11.
00:24:36 +1 !!!!!!
00:24:44 F10 will be EOL soon anyway.
00:24:54 rudi: Unless you want to go back to the FC days. :)
00:25:14 Uh....
00:25:20 NO
00:25:23 :)
00:25:28 IMO if people are going to want to use some of our
information they would probably want to get it from the latest source
and not an old guide.
00:25:52 * Sparks thinks ianweller got off easy during this ordeal
00:26:07 Okay, moving on.
00:26:13 #topic Shared open-source style guide
00:26:21 #link
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html
00:26:28 Does anyone have an update on this?
00:26:58 Going...
00:27:01 going...
00:27:07 gone.
00:27:09 Still blocked by the NotEnoughHoursInTheDay bug
00:27:17 rudi: Understood.
00:27:26 Expect some traction after I finish on the Publican 1.0 User Guide :)
00:27:36 rudi: You might want to shoot ke4qqq an email on this as I
think he wanted to work on it but probably has the same bug.
00:27:38 (RSN)
00:27:52 #topic Guide needs?
00:27:58 * ianweller hsa to run
00:28:01 Okay, anyone have any guides that are in need?
00:28:10 Sure -- my blocker is getting the content together that
legal has agreed to release to the wider community
00:28:10 ianweller: Cya
00:28:21 I sent a wuery to qrplinux-L looking for help
00:28:24 no joy
00:28:38 I think I will ping QRP-L, a much bigger list
00:28:39 the RPM guide might need a new owner, i am ashamed to admit
that I havent done squat with it all summer :-/
00:28:40 jjmcd: On the Amateur Radio guide?
00:28:45 affirm
00:28:59 bcotton: same bug as rudi?
00:29:05 jjmcd: Okay. I need to take a stab at some of it.
00:29:31 jjmcd: a combo of that and NotEnoughExperience
00:29:32 rudi: Which guide is this that you are having legal issues on?
00:29:34 Sparks, it would be nice to have something fairly complete for F12
00:29:52 jjmcd: Might be too late in the game
00:30:12 could be
00:30:15 No guide -- I got left behind -- I was still talking about
the Open Source Style Guide
00:30:25 rudi: Ahhh
00:30:26 (and Red Hat's internal Style guidelines)
00:30:35 rudi: understood
00:30:53 bcotton: What do you need? More help or more time or both?
00:31:39 bcotton, you might be able to get some help from Florian.
He asked us to do it, probably could provide content guidance
00:31:57 Sparks: a bit of both. i'm taking a new job later this
month, which should give me a bit more time once i get settled. i'll
also get more experience with git and rpm building, and so forth
00:32:23 bcotton: Put the word out on the f-docs-l and see if there
are any takers.
00:32:59 sparks: to help or to take? i'd be okay with either. i
know the guide is rather dated, but i dont want to let it languish any
more than it needs to
00:33:23 bcotton: Whichever you feel most comfortable. You'd
probably find helpers first, though.
00:33:35 (i'll also try to hang out in the IRC channel more, i've
been fairly absent for a while)
00:33:44 sparks: can do!
00:33:44 Okay
00:33:51 jjmcd and rudi: How goes the RNs?
00:33:58 Well,
00:34:14 I need one small edit before I make the beta rpm
00:34:29 Next move I guess is to update docs.fp.o
00:34:46 jjmcd -- I've been doing that as langs hit 100%
00:34:57 We have been building every night anf the L10N gang has been
working hard
00:35:14 excellent
00:35:23 A couple of thoughts:
00:35:57 1) this time, I think we should only move langs to d.fp.o if
there's been L10N work in the current cycle
00:36:25 2) langs should remain "Drafts" until they hit 100%
00:37:04 I think we're getting to the point where we should present
readers with something a bit more polished
00:37:19 Some of you may have seen the French L10N team take a firm
stand on this recently ;)
00:37:35 Last time there were a lot of langs at 80-90%, shouldn't we
pull the trigger on those? Or should we encourage the translators to
move that last few percent.
00:37:37 I didn't
00:37:43 rudi: Can you elaborate?
00:37:56 (They nuked the entire F12 RN fr.po file because they didn't
want to see mishmashed docs published)
00:38:10 (and don't have plans to translate the F12 RN)
00:38:39 jjmcd -- I think we need to provide the encouragement to
squeeze out that last 10%-20%
00:39:15 rudi: So let me get this straight... There were French
translations and they removed them all?
00:39:26 Sparks -- yes
00:39:35 French translations carried over from previous cycles
00:39:37 rudi: That's not going to sit well with me at all.
00:39:44 For headings and stuff
00:39:52 rudi: Why did they do that?
00:40:00 What was the reasoning?
00:40:21 Sparks -- because they saw us (docs) publishing
half-complete work in the past and didn't want it to happen again
00:40:29 Sounds so terribly French of them
00:40:30 rudi: what was the % translated when they nuked it?
00:40:33 so they aren't going to do them at all?
00:40:49 Sparks -- they have no plans to for F12
00:40:57 I'm not good with that
00:41:43 ryanlerch -- only about 10%–20%
00:41:47 Reused strings.
00:42:08 Okay... anything else?
00:42:19 It does mean, however, that if they decide that they want to
do RN in French for (say) F13, they'll need to rebase the PO to F10
00:42:28 (or start from scratch, as they choose)
00:42:49 That's just nuts
00:43:12 True, but they probably didn't realise that they could just
ask us not to publish the doc ;)
00:43:32 I'll keep my thoughts to myself at the moment.
00:43:34 And, I sympathise with their desire not to publish
half-finished work to the world
00:43:40 Okay, moving on.
00:43:47 Anything else in the guide department?
00:44:17 #topic New guides?
00:44:28 Any new guides to be discussed?
00:44:39 You don't have enough?
00:44:56 I don't have enough time to work on the guides I want to work on!
00:44:58 :)
00:45:06 #topic Other business
00:45:09 Just noting that the Virt Guide is up
00:45:14 Anyone have anything else they want to talk about?
00:45:18 rudi: +1
00:45:21 On the F12 drafts page
00:45:23 Sparks
00:45:24 Check it out! :)
00:45:36 You are aware that the beta meeting moved a week
00:45:46 jjmcd: Yes... Was going to mention that to you... :)
00:46:12 :-) Poelstra sent me a note, I wasn't sure it also went to you
00:46:41 jjmcd: I saw it on the logistics list. Are you on that?
00:46:56 Not sure, don't think so
00:47:05 I already have too many lists
00:47:24 Okay, that list was created as a joint list kinda thing... mutual aid?
00:48:17 Okay, anything else?
00:48:21 Yep, the note from JP was posted to logistics so I guess I am on it
00:48:38 I actually have something.
00:49:11 The first meeting after the F12 release I'll accept
nominations for "leader" of the Docs Project.
00:49:27 We'll give that a week and then we'll have a poll setup to vote.
00:49:47 So be thinking of someone you'd like to see running this thing.
00:50:02 I think it is a good idea to do this every release or two...
00:50:12 I don't know if you can get out of it that easy
00:50:15 just to keep the ideas new and the momentum moving.
00:50:23 jjmcd: One can try.
00:50:36 jjmcd: All I have to do is nominate you. :)
00:50:43 * ryanlerch nominates zodbot, he is always in meetings...
00:50:55 lolz at ryanlerch
00:50:56 ryanlerch: That's true. And he does take really good notes.
00:50:59 * bcotton seconds ryanlerch's nomination
00:51:02 I'll decline, but maybe I should nominate EvilBob, he is
always at these meetngs, too
00:51:31 but here's a question: why can't zodbot be a she?
00:51:43 that is what I get for having a good bouncer
00:51:45 bcotton: zodbot sounds too masculine
00:51:59 what about Sonar_Gal?
00:52:26 Always coming and going
00:52:41 :)
00:52:45 Okay, anything else?
00:53:12 ls
00:53:16 * danielsmw apologizes
00:53:40 rm -Ir danielsmw
00:53:43 better than firefox http://myfavepornsite &
00:54:26 5
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00:54:49 Thanks everyone for coming!
00:54:56 #endmeeting
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