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FDSCo 2 August 2005 IRC log



Aug 02 13:11:35 <quaid>	<meeting>
Aug 02 13:11:45 <megacoder>	Tuesdays have become problematic for me
these days.
Aug 02 13:11:49 <quaid>	G2: starting late, looking to see if there are
enough in attendance or lurking.
Aug 02 13:11:54 <stickster>	That's 4
Aug 02 13:12:18 <G2>	Just got a new nx6110, so resizing NTFS with
Knoppix
Aug 02 13:12:28 <quaid>	stickster: ok, bring it up in AOB and we'll make
sure to start a new thread.
Aug 02 13:12:31 <stickster>	k
Aug 02 13:12:41 <quaid>	G2: Knoppix STD has saved me a few times, it rox
Aug 02 13:13:26 <G2>	aye. need to keep XP Pro on for testing Samba
PDC :-(
Aug 02 13:13:34 <megacoder>	Shouldn't that be "Knoppix SMA"?
Aug 02 13:13:43 <quaid>	sorry, I'm pulling open windows, I got stuck in
a bit of lunchtime traffic coming back to the office
Aug 02 13:14:39 <G2>	lunchtime there?
Aug 02 13:14:42 <quaid>	megacoder: too obscure for me
Aug 02 13:14:48 <quaid>	G2: 1:14 pm PDT :)
Aug 02 13:14:59 <megacoder>	SMA = Save my ...
Aug 02 13:15:11 <quaid>	ah, hee
Aug 02 13:15:23 <quaid>	CYA I know, of course
Aug 02 13:15:36 <G2>	SMA = Baby Milk here
Aug 02 13:15:57 <quaid>	ok, so, howdy everyone
Aug 02 13:16:09 <quaid>	I sent the agenda out this AM, it was actually
ready at 3 am but I forgot to send it :)
Aug 02 13:16:52 <quaid>	and now I can't pull it up
Aug 02 13:16:59 <quaid>	someone help me with the first item ?
Aug 02 13:17:08 *	quaid kicks his VPN in the nards
Aug 02 13:17:08 <stickster>	p2pw
Aug 02 13:17:15 <quaid>	ah, right
Aug 02 13:17:37 <quaid>	stickster: yes, there ya go, let's publish the
yum mgmt as beta, why not
Aug 02 13:17:52 <quaid>	or make it a release, since it's pretty well
edited by this point
Aug 02 13:18:04 <quaid>	as we don't have a proper beta process really
Aug 02 13:18:07 <stickster>	right
Aug 02 13:18:47 <quaid>	are there any other leftovers to publish or
push?
Aug 02 13:18:57 <stickster>	mirror-tutorial ;-)
Aug 02 13:19:49 <quaid>	what does it need?
Aug 02 13:19:58 <stickster>	Umm... editorial approval?
Aug 02 13:20:15 <stickster>	I don't know if it made it through final
review by you
Aug 02 13:21:31 <stickster>	There was a question about missing
procedures for current Core, but it turned out I hadn't pushed the
latest stuff to CVS somehow
Aug 02 13:21:35 <stickster>	It's there now
Aug 02 13:21:50 <stickster>	I'd recommend publishing a beta and RFC
Aug 02 13:22:10 <quaid>	ok
Aug 02 13:22:58 <quaid>	how about this ... I'll take a look w/in the
next 24 hours, at the end of that period, do you have time to publish
it?
Aug 02 13:23:08 <stickster>	yeah
Aug 02 13:23:26 <stickster>	gives me a chance to practice my web-fu
Aug 02 13:23:27 <quaid>	you can check everything in, and I can take a
look at it before you tag it LIVE
Aug 02 13:23:38 <stickster>	ok
Aug 02 13:24:25 <quaid>	I'm slowly working on SELinux FAQ updates,
nothing there yet.
Aug 02 13:24:35 <quaid>	maybe I'll write down of the FAQs I get next
week :)
Aug 02 13:24:51 <stickster>	You need a scribe!
Aug 02 13:24:58 <quaid>	does anyone else have any other docs that need a
push?
Aug 02 13:25:12 <quaid>	stickster: laptop and wifi
Aug 02 13:25:20 <stickster>	?
Aug 02 13:25:32 <quaid>	stickster: at least I'll be able to keep notes
wherever I wander
Aug 02 13:25:37 <stickster>	:-) aye
Aug 02 13:25:46 <stickster>	one last thing re: yum tutorial
Aug 02 13:25:50 <quaid>	ok
Aug 02 13:26:00 <stickster>	I would humbly offer that we remove the
"keeping up to date" tutorial in favor of the new yum doc
Aug 02 13:26:01 <quaid>	I think you could push it as a 1.0
Aug 02 13:26:27 <quaid>	how about, remove as in leave at URL but take
down references/links to it?
Aug 02 13:26:42 <stickster>	I was just about to write that, thanks for
saving me the trouble
Aug 02 13:26:42 <quaid>	i.e., is it historically accurate for FC1?
Aug 02 13:26:56 <megacoder>	Switching to audit mode; gotta run.
Aug 02 13:27:01 <quaid>	ok
Aug 02 13:27:17 <stickster>	Well, accurate somewhat... still
questionable on the quality
Aug 02 13:27:23 <quaid>	megacoder: audit this ... we'll discuss on list
alternate meeting schedules.
Aug 02 13:28:01 <quaid>	stickster: I don't like breaking URLs, if the
information is inaccurate we can always ammend the page to say that it
is out-of-date, out-of-scope, etc.
Aug 02 13:28:23 <quaid>	stickster: might be another good test of your
web-fu :)
Aug 02 13:28:31 <stickster>	Right... I will revise the DocBook
accordingly and you can include it in your review before tagging LIVE
Aug 02 13:28:40 <quaid>	ok, humbly remove it
Aug 02 13:28:45 <stickster>	Humbly thanks
Aug 02 13:28:52 <quaid>	ready for next agenda item?
Aug 02 13:29:20 <stickster>	Need a feed? The password is "Buzz"
Aug 02 13:30:26 <stickster>	$listmembers/20 > $active
Aug 02 13:31:18 <quaid>	well, yeah, about
Aug 02 13:31:42 <quaid>	that was just my first start of thought, why all
this attention for such little activity?
Aug 02 13:31:51 <stickster>	Whose attention?
Aug 02 13:32:01 <stickster>	Oh nm
Aug 02 13:32:05 <stickster>	*slap*
Aug 02 13:32:23 <quaid>	can we be doing more active recruiting?
Aug 02 13:32:26 <quaid>	should we be?
Aug 02 13:32:35 <quaid>	do we feel we have enough to offer?  can we
handle the influx?
Aug 02 13:33:15 <stickster>	I'm confused -- doc writing is one of the
easiest things to start in a solitary fashion. So where are all the
drafts? Ideas?
Aug 02 13:33:59 <quaid>	that's sort of how I feel
Aug 02 13:34:45 <StillBob>	Where are the drafts?
Aug 02 13:34:59 <stickster>	I realize that I haven't started the real
DocGuide overhaul yet, and digested our process into something easier
for people to get their arms around... but... uh... yeah, what StillBob
said
Aug 02 13:34:59 <StillBob>	Just getting weverything set up is a chore
Aug 02 13:35:19 <stickster>	Where are the posts to the list asking us
"how-to"?
Aug 02 13:35:31 <stickster>	StillBob: not meant directed at you
Aug 02 13:36:03 <StillBob>	I have been reading about "mentors" this
would be a great way to develope somethign like that
Aug 02 13:36:20 <G2>	I agree, no one seems to standup and write anything
(including me)
Aug 02 13:36:31 <quaid>	yes, actually, the docs project is a good
mentoring opportunity, we move slow enough to spend time on that
Aug 02 13:36:36 <StillBob>	Someone to show a new member "the ropes"
Aug 02 13:36:45 <stickster>	StillBob: I volunteer to mentor you
Aug 02 13:36:47 <stickster>	:-)
Aug 02 13:36:55 <StillBob>	stickster: accepted
Aug 02 13:37:10 <stickster>	StillBob: One condition -- let's keep all
Q&A on the fedora-docs-list, in public where others can read it
Aug 02 13:37:11 <StillBob>	and I will mentor another when the time is
right
Aug 02 13:37:19 <stickster>	Maybe it will inspire other people to pipe
up for help
Aug 02 13:37:46 <StillBob>	can we also chat and publish the results?
Aug 02 13:37:59 <stickster>	Absolutely.  Believe me, no question is
going to get you kicked out, else quaid would have done that to me
shortly after I started
Aug 02 13:38:29 <StillBob>	OK that is a staryt
Aug 02 13:38:34 <StillBob>	start
Aug 02 13:38:38 <quaid>	"No, Paul," I said, "Red Hat does not supply the
hookers and blow, you have to bring your own party favors."
Aug 02 13:38:58 <stickster>	quaid: Thanks *SO* much for re-airing that
dirty laundry
Aug 02 13:39:07 <StillBob>	LOL
Aug 02 13:39:09 <quaid>	yeah, in IRC log forever, too
Aug 02 13:39:34 <quaid>	so, back to the recruiting question ...
Aug 02 13:39:35 <stickster>	I'll make sure to Google myself next time
I'm teaching at a symposium
Aug 02 13:39:39 <stickster>	right
Aug 02 13:40:00 <quaid>	I tend to be a recruiting type
Aug 02 13:40:02 <stickster>	StillBob: This helps me too, because the
DocGuide is supposed to be a handy reference for newcomers... if helping
someone can help me with reorganizing/rewriting bits of the DocGuide, so
much the better
Aug 02 13:40:20 <StillBob>	stickster: Understood
Aug 02 13:40:30 <stickster>	quaid: What about a msg to the list as a
call to arms? Specifically inviting in the lurkers
Aug 02 13:40:44 <quaid>	sure, why not?
Aug 02 13:40:50 *	quaid takes that action item
Aug 02 13:41:03 <stickster>	I wonder how many of them are developers who
just want to keep an eye on us
Aug 02 13:41:04 <quaid>	enumerate the lower barriers, etc.
Aug 02 13:41:16 <quaid>	they can write too
Aug 02 13:41:21 <stickster>	too true
Aug 02 13:41:28 <quaid>	there are people who have been interested,
joined, and stopped there
Aug 02 13:41:39 <quaid>	I'll also recruit next week, as I can
Aug 02 13:41:44 <StillBob>	Like me
Aug 02 13:42:01 <stickster>	Yes, we even had a superbly qualified
newcomer last month, whose name I can't recall
Aug 02 13:42:07 <stickster>	former editor IRL
Aug 02 13:42:12 <quaid>	we have some schemes to spend time with anyone
who wants to work on Fedora, maybe some schwag to sweeten the
experience.
Aug 02 13:42:29 <quaid>	oh, lord, yeah, we've had a ton of new
introductions
Aug 02 13:42:42 <quaid>	we did discuss splitting up that list for
personal contact, didn't we?
Aug 02 13:42:59 <stickster>	hmm... can't recall but I don't remember
getting an assignment out of it
Aug 02 13:43:14 <G2>	anything we can learn for tldp?
Aug 02 13:43:20 <quaid>	maybe we could all take some names, write them
directly, ask if they need anything and generally offer support
Aug 02 13:43:25 <G2>	s/for/from
Aug 02 13:43:39 <quaid>	G2: probably, too bad mether is unavailable to
wisen us
Aug 02 13:44:05 <quaid>	stickster: no assignment most likely, a
brainstorm idea
Aug 02 13:44:08 <G2>	quaid: yeah, put did you see the massive agrument
about "roles" a while ago
Aug 02 13:44:23 <quaid>	G2: in tldp?
Aug 02 13:44:35 <quaid>	if yes, then no
Aug 02 13:45:19 <G2>	yeah. Massive debates/arguments a few months back
Aug 02 13:45:45 <quaid>	ah, no, I don't keep track of the project really
Aug 02 13:46:23 <G2>	we should. It's the biggest/best
Aug 02 13:46:48 <quaid>	good point
Aug 02 13:47:43 <quaid>	what do you all think about each of us
contacting the people who have self-intro'd?
Aug 02 13:47:59 <quaid>	or would a single email to the list (from me?)
be better?  easier?  well, duh, yes, easier ...
Aug 02 13:48:29 <stickster>	Let's take the individual contacts as a plan
B with a 7 or 14 day tickler
Aug 02 13:48:41 <quaid>	seems reasonable
Aug 02 13:48:54 <stickster>	Let's give some Bob<->me discussion time to
flush people out into the open :-D
Aug 02 13:48:59 <stickster>	I'm a charmer you know
Aug 02 13:49:06 <G2>	yeah. If I was a newbie, I'd like to e-mail by
quaid personally
Aug 02 13:49:20 <stickster>	I wait days for personal email from quaid 
Aug 02 13:49:35 <quaid>	I may start emailing some of the people who
seemed likeliest
Aug 02 13:49:43 <quaid>	stickster: keep waiting, I'm a slow
responder ...
Aug 02 13:50:03 <stickster>	Check back in June/July traffic for that gal
who emailed the list, she seemed like a shoe-in to do some major docs
damage
Aug 02 13:50:30 <quaid>	yeah, fortunately g2's Wiki list is
chronological
Aug 02 13:50:48 <stickster>	Right -- Aha, nm, found it:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2005-July/msg00024.html
Aug 02 13:52:01 <G2>	quaid: want it changed? I might have missed some
new ones. Been at home sick the past few days
Aug 02 13:52:40 <quaid>	G2: don't think we've had any new ones, you've
been very johnny-on-the-spot thanks!
Aug 02 13:52:49 <stickster>	yeah G2, good job with that
Aug 02 13:53:09 <G2>	Just about the only thing I do do at the mo, so
better be quick about it
Aug 02 13:53:45 <quaid>	G2: did you say you were going to LinuxWorld
London?
Aug 02 13:54:14 <G2>	Yeah. The OSC are going to. I might only be going
to the FudCON day though
Aug 02 13:55:03 <StillBob>	Kara Prichard
Aug 02 13:55:19 <stickster>	StillBob: *nod* see URL above
Aug 02 13:55:50 <quaid>	G2: cool ... just or if Stuart is going,
consider if you want to do something FDP related
Aug 02 13:56:09 <quaid>	either a talk ... BoF ... recruiting ...
Aug 02 13:56:12 <G2>	yeah, could do. I should be there all day by myself
(no family)
Aug 02 13:56:29 <quaid>	yeah, in the US they don't let anyone under 18
on the floor of an expo, typically.
Aug 02 13:56:32 <quaid>	no clue why
Aug 02 13:57:18 <G2>	Strange
Aug 02 13:58:24 <quaid>	ok, that's good stuff on recruiting, we can
revisit again in a couple of weeks to see how it's going.
Aug 02 13:58:39 *	quaid is mindful of time O'clock
Aug 02 13:59:05 <quaid>	I'm willing to try to do the meeting from the
Linuxworld floor next week :)
Aug 02 13:59:10 <stickster>	Ha!
Aug 02 13:59:48 <G2>	Right, I'm off. Need to do my housewife duties ;-)
Aug 02 13:59:52 <quaid>	aye
Aug 02 13:59:53 <stickster>	All righty, bye G2 
Aug 02 14:00:00 <quaid>	well, that's pretty much it
Aug 02 14:00:11 <quaid>	the AOB item was checking on this as a meeting
time
Aug 02 14:00:12 <stickster>	k... I'll send a schedule query on f-dsco-l
Aug 02 14:00:22 <quaid>	*zap*
Aug 02 14:00:28 <quaid>	you got it
Aug 02 14:00:30 <stickster>	*slap*
Aug 02 14:01:49 <stickster>	all righty then
Aug 02 14:01:57 <quaid>	</meeting>
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