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Re: RFC: FESCo Future

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Max Spevack wrote:

Some examples:
* RH has killed the FF, without even informing the community in advance.
(Now some projects are complaining about lack of funding - Could it be
RH missed the aspect of using a "foundation as means of fundraising?)

Due respect Josh, but just because we didn't inform *you* ahead of time doesn't mean that the decision was made entirely within Red Hat's walls. A number of non-Red Hat folks knew about the decision ahead of time, and had a hand in helping us to come up with the reasoning and messaging around why FF didn't make sense, and why the current Board model is a superior choice.

Oops, got a bit confused with the threading. I guess Ralf was really the original writer. Sorry Josh.


Did you read the message that we sent out discussing the reasons why the Foundation decision wasn't compelling? Fundraising was specifically addressed in there.

Furthermore, there was a very frank conversation about the way Fedora *is* governed, and the main point out of that is that the Fedora Project Board is set up *purposely* to have a very strong representation of people who don't work at Red Hat. This is the *reality* of what we are doing right now. The Fedora Project Board is empowered to make decisions about what Fedora does. A significant amount of that Board's membership is not @redhat.com -- and I promise you that I have no problem with seeing that balance shift more toward the community over time, if that is what is clearly the best for Fedora.

What does that have to do with FESCO?

* RH has proclaimed the FPB and has inaugurated the persons at their own
will without consulting nor informing the community. They selecting a
person as head we never saw in any Fedora Project before nor without
thinking about this organs interaction with other Fedora Projects.
(In politics such an incident would be called "palace revolution")

As I said above, parts of the community were consulted. The community is consulted now in everything the Board does. The actions of the board are transparent, and everyone has a direct line to contact and influence the work that the Board is doing.


In response to your criticism of me as being the Chair of the FPB without having been active in Fedora previously: It's true that I wasn't directly involved in the Fedora side of Red Hat prior to beginning in my current job, but don't base your opinion of me solely on that. If you have concerns and issues with the way I'm handling Fedora, write the Board and complain. Write to boss and convince him that I should be replaced. Make a compelling argument for why things are wrong and how they should be instead and your voice will be heard.

My job isn't to be a dictator over Fedora. My job is to be Fedora's biggest advocate within Red Hat, to set Fedora up as much as possible for community decision making and empowerment, and to constantly remind the rest of Red Hat of the immense value of open source methods, community involvement, etc.

I get a paycheck from Red Hat. But I work for Fedora. If the larger powers that be inside of Red Hat decide that Fedora isn't important, then I'll be the one yelling the loudest, and most publicly that they are wrong, and I'll be first in line to submit my resignation.

But you know what? That isn't going to happen. The very fact that the position (that I currently have) was formalized within Red Hat underscores Red Hat's desire to see Fedora be a success.

We're talking about how we, the Extras community, want to govern ourselves. Leave Red Hat out of this discussion please.

I'm not really sure what you're complaining about. Someone asked the Board: "Extras is ready to shuffle up its leadership a bit. Do you guys need/want to have a say in that?"

Look at the first response: it was me say "Nope, you guys do your own thing. And the Board is going to learn from you."


So tell me: where's the lack of democracy? Where's the iron fist? What are you *actually* angry about?


Max Spevack
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