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> 1. Re: compat-guile-devel conflicts with guile-devel
> (Jason L Tibbitts III)
> 2. Re: (4/4) Summary - Broken dependencies in Fedora Extras -
> 2006-12-15 (Marcel J.E. Mol)
> 3. Fedora Extras Package Build Report 2006-12-16
> (buildsys at fedoraproject.org)
> 4. Possible wxWidgets-2.8 problem (rawhide) (Paul)
> 5. Re: compat-guile-devel conflicts with guile-devel
> (Thorsten Leemhuis)
> 6. Re: Please rebuild/fix plague for python 2.5 (Dan Williams)
> 7. Re: Possible wxWidgets-2.8 problem (rawhide) (Matthew Miller)
> 8. Fedora Extras Package Build Report 2006-12-17
> (buildsys at fedoraproject.org)
> 9. Re: Possible wxWidgets-2.8 problem (rawhide) (Paul)
> 10. Naming Guidelines Clarification for plugins, docklets etc
> (Christoph Wickert)
> 11. Re: Naming Guidelines Clarification for plugins, docklets etc
> (Frank B?ttner)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: 16 Dec 2006 13:13:01 -0600
> From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs at math.uh.edu>
> Subject: Re: compat-guile-devel conflicts with guile-devel
> To: Discussion related to Fedora Extras
> <fedora-extras-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <ufar6uzslhe.fsf at epithumia.math.uh.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> >>>>> "TL" == Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora at leemhuis.info> writes:
>
> TL> /me would feel way saver if we could maintain a detailed list of
> TL> situation like this where conflicts might be okay;
>
> I don't think we have a detailed list of such situations. We'd have
> to evaluate a bunch of possibilities first, and that work hasn't been
> done.
>
> Folks are welcome to propose situations where Conflicts: might be
> reasonable, preferably by adding them to the draft at
> http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/Conflicts#ProposedConflictsSituations
> so that the situation can be evaluated.
>
> - J<
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 21:07:25 +0100
> From: "Marcel J.E. Mol" <marcel at mesa.nl>
> Subject: Re: (4/4) Summary - Broken dependencies in Fedora Extras -
> 2006-12-15
> To: Discussion related to Fedora Extras
> <fedora-extras-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <20061216200725.GN28307 at joshua.mesa.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 01:41:45PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:30:29 +0100, Marcel J.E. Mol wrote:
> >
> > > goffice and gnumeric also need rebuilds againts latest libgsf:
> > >
> > > # rpm -Uvh libgsf-1.14.3-2.x86_64.rpm libgsf-devel-1.14.3-2.x86_64.rpm
> > > error: Failed dependencies:
> > > libgsf-gnome-1.so.114()(64bit) is needed by (installed) goffice-0.2.1-2.fc6.x86_64
> > > libgsf-gnome-1.so.114()(64bit) is needed by (installed) gnumeric-1.6.3-5.fc6.x86_64
> > >
> >
> > No. Upgrade libgsf-gnome, too.
>
> my bad, I totally overlooked the 'gnome' part. Thanks!
>
> -Marcel
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:56:02 -0500 (EST)
> From: buildsys at fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Fedora Extras Package Build Report 2006-12-16
> To: fedora-extras-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <20061216225602.2637015212E at buildsys.fedoraproject.org>
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>
> Packages built and released for Fedora Extras development: 28
>
> Pound-2.2-1.fc7
> anjuta-2.0.2-13.fc7
> audacious-plugins-1.2.5-3.fc7
> aumix-2.8-11.fc7
> contacts-0.2-1.fc7
> dates-0.2-1.fc7
> gcstar-1.0.0-1.fc7
> gnubiff-2.2.4-1.fc7
> htop-0.6.5-1.fc7
> jd-1.8.1-0.3.cvs061216.fc7
> kawa-1.8-12.fc7
> lilypond-2.10.2-2.fc7
> mISDN-1.0.3-1
> mimedefang-2.58-2.fc7
> mkvtoolnix-1.8.1-2.fc7
> NEW museek+-0.1.12-4.fc7
> nazghul-0.5.5-3.fc7
> ochusha-0.5.99.64.11-0.1.cvs061216.fc7
> openvrml-0.16.2-2.fc7
> perl-Alien-wxWidgets-0.25-2.fc7
> perl-POE-Component-IRC-5.17-1.fc7
> perl-POE-Filter-Zlib-1.8-1.fc7
> perl-Wx-0.66-1.fc7
> python-protocols-1.0-0.4.a0dev_r2082.fc7
> python-psycopg-1.1.21-6.fc7
> pyxmms-2.06-4.fc7
> NEW xarchiver-0.4.9-0.1.20061213svn.fc7
> zaptel-1.4.0-6.beta3.fc7
>
>
> Packages built and released for Fedora Extras 6: 17
>
> Pound-2.2-1.fc6
> audacious-plugins-1.2.5-2.fc6
> aumix-2.8-11.fc6
> enigma-1.0-1.fc6
> gcstar-1.0.0-1.fc6
> gnomesword-2.1.10-1.fc6
> NEW gourmet-0.12.2-2.fc6
> htop-0.6.5-1.fc6
> koffice-1.6.1-4.fc6
> lilypond-2.10.2-2.fc6
> mISDN-1.0.3-1.fc6
> mimedefang-2.58-2.fc6
> NEW museek+-0.1.12-4.fc6
> openvrml-0.16.2-2.fc6
> perl-POE-Component-IRC-5.17-1.fc6
> perl-POE-Filter-Zlib-1.8-1.fc6
> zaptel-1.4.0-6.beta3.fc6
>
>
> Packages built and released for Fedora Extras 5: 9
>
> Pound-2.2-1.fc5
> aumix-2.8-11.fc5
> gcstar-1.0.0-1.fc5
> htop-0.6.5-1.fc5
> lilypond-doc-2.10.2-1.fc5
> mimedefang-2.58-2.fc5
> NEW museek+-0.1.12-4.fc5
> perl-POE-Component-IRC-5.17-1.fc5
> perl-POE-Filter-Zlib-1.8-1.fc5
>
>
> Packages built and released for Fedora Extras 4: 0
>
>
>
> Packages built and released for Fedora Extras 3: 0
>
>
>
>
> For more information about the built packages please see the repository
> or the Fedora Info Feed: http://fedoraproject.org/infofeed/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:10:00 +0000
> From: Paul <paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk>
> Subject: Possible wxWidgets-2.8 problem (rawhide)
> To: fedora-extras <fedora-extras-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1166353800.21598.21.camel at T7.Linux>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi,
>
> Can one of the packagers of wxWidgets (rawhide) please have a go at
> compiling XaraLX with it - I just need verification that I'm not going
> completely insane before diving into the code to fix things for wx2.8.
>
> It currently compiles fine with 2.6
>
> TTFN
>
> Paul
> --
> "Mmmmmmmm....Shakira geschmiert mit schokolade" sagt Homer
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 12:21:12 +0100
> From: Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora at leemhuis.info>
> Subject: Re: compat-guile-devel conflicts with guile-devel
> To: Discussion related to Fedora Extras
> <fedora-extras-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <45852828.2030802 at leemhuis.info>
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>
> Jason L Tibbitts III schrieb:
> >>>>>> "TL" == Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora at leemhuis.info> writes:
> > TL> /me would feel way saver if we could maintain a detailed list of
> > TL> situation like this where conflicts might be okay;
> > I don't think we have a detailed list of such situations. We'd have
> > to evaluate a bunch of possibilities first, and that work hasn't been
> > done.
>
> I thought about it some more: I don't think it's worth the work
> investigating all the (un)acceptable usage cases for Conflicts now, as
> it would be a lot of work. Maybe the easiest thing would be to over time
> maintain and enhance a list of (un)acceptable usage cases for Conflicts
> in the wiki. But the Packaging Commitee members and/or Sponsors simply
> should be allowed to update it without much trouble; getting a ACK for
> each litte update of this list from FESCo or the Packaging Committee is
> IMHO to much overhead/to complicated...
>
> CU
> thl
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:36:35 -0500
> From: Dan Williams <dcbw at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Please rebuild/fix plague for python 2.5
> To: Discussion related to Fedora Extras
> <fedora-extras-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1166366195.2757.0.camel at localhost.localdomain>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 00:17 +0900, Mamoru Tasaka wrote:
> > Hans de Goede wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I've just requested a couple of blind (untested) python-2.5 related
> > > rebuilds, these are untested because I cannot update my development
> > > system to python 2.5, because plague hasn't been rebuild yet.
> > >
> > > Thus this mail as encouragement to rebuild / fix plague, Thanks!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> >
> > Well, as I wrote previously, Jason Tibbitts has already rebuilt
> > plague against 2.5 and this will be released as 0.4.4.1-3.
> > However, this (0.4.4.1-3) does not work because of the issue
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=214687
> >
> > Please someone see this bugzilla and give a
> > solution? The patch suggested by Robert Scheck works for me,
> > however I don't know if this is a correct solution.
>
> I'll commit that fix today, or if not today, definitely tomorrow. I'm
> somewhat suspicious of Python 2.5 since plague uses a _lot_ of overrides
> of stuff in the network bits to do SSL; but we'll likely only find that
> breakage through testing.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:25:50 -0500
> From: Matthew Miller <mattdm at mattdm.org>
> Subject: Re: Possible wxWidgets-2.8 problem (rawhide)
> To: Discussion related to Fedora Extras
> <fedora-extras-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <20061217152550.GA4561 at jadzia.bu.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 11:10:00AM +0000, Paul wrote:
> > Can one of the packagers of wxWidgets (rawhide) please have a go at
> > compiling XaraLX with it - I just need verification that I'm not going
> > completely insane before diving into the code to fix things for wx2.8.
>
> I'll try to look on Monday.
>
> > It currently compiles fine with 2.6
>
> I enabled 2.6 compatibility in the build, so theoretically anything that
> worked with 2.6 should work -- unless it was depending on 2.2 compatibility,
> which is now gone.
>
> --
> Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org <http://mattdm.org/>
> Boston University Linux ------> <http://linux.bu.edu/>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:33:04 -0500 (EST)
> From: buildsys at fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Fedora Extras Package Build Report 2006-12-17
> To: fedora-extras-list at redhat.com
> Message-ID: <20061217153304.CDA9915212E at buildsys.fedoraproject.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Packages built and released for Fedora Extras development: 17
>
> emelfm2-0.3.1-1.fc7
> NEW fontypython-0.2.0-4.fc7
> inotify-tools-3.6-1.fc7
> jd-1.8.1-1.fc7
> perl-Alien-wxWidgets-0.26-1.fc7
> perl-Data-Hierarchy-0.34-2.fc7
> perl-Log-Dispatch-2.15-2.fc7
> perl-PerlIO-eol-0.14-1.fc7
> perl-SVN-Mirror-0.72-1.fc7
> perl-WWW-Babelfish-0.16-1.fc7
> perl-Wx-0.67-1.fc7
> php-pear-DB-DataObject-1.8.5-1.fc7
> php-pear-XML-Util-1.1.4-1.fc7
> pyflowtools-0.3-8.fc7
> tachyon-0.97-4.fc7
> tor-0.1.1.26-1.fc7
> xine-lib-1.1.3-2.fc7
>
>
> Packages built and released for Fedora Extras 6: 15
>
> NEW conky-1.4.5-2.fc6
> emelfm2-0.3.1-1.fc6
> NEW fontypython-0.2.0-4.fc6
> jd-1.8.1-1.fc6
> perl-Alien-wxWidgets-0.26-1.fc6
> perl-Data-Hierarchy-0.34-2.fc6
> perl-Log-Dispatch-2.15-2.fc6
> perl-PerlIO-eol-0.14-1.fc6
> perl-SVN-Mirror-0.72-1.fc6
> perl-WWW-Babelfish-0.16-1.fc6
> perl-Wx-0.67-1.fc6
> php-pear-DB-DataObject-1.8.5-1.fc6
> php-pear-XML-Util-1.1.4-1.fc6
> tor-0.1.1.26-1.fc6
> xine-lib-1.1.3-2.fc6
>
>
> Packages built and released for Fedora Extras 5: 12
>
> NEW fontypython-0.2.0-4.fc5
> jd-1.8.1-1.fc5
> perl-Alien-wxWidgets-0.26-1.fc5
> perl-Data-Hierarchy-0.34-2.fc5
> perl-Log-Dispatch-2.15-2.fc5
> perl-PerlIO-eol-0.14-1.fc5
> perl-SVN-Mirror-0.72-1.fc5
> perl-WWW-Babelfish-0.16-1.fc5
> perl-Wx-0.67-1.fc5
> php-pear-DB-DataObject-1.8.5-1.fc5
> php-pear-XML-Util-1.1.4-1.fc5
> tor-0.1.1.26-1.fc5
>
>
> Packages built and released for Fedora Extras 4: 0
>
>
>
> Packages built and released for Fedora Extras 3: 1
>
> duplicity-0.4.2-4.fc3
>
>
>
> For more information about the built packages please see the repository
> or the Fedora Info Feed: http://fedoraproject.org/infofeed/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:58:50 +0000
> From: Paul <paul at all-the-johnsons.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Possible wxWidgets-2.8 problem (rawhide)
> To: Discussion related to Fedora Extras
> <fedora-extras-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1166371130.21598.29.camel at T7.Linux>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi,
>
> > > Can one of the packagers of wxWidgets (rawhide) please have a go at
> > > compiling XaraLX with it - I just need verification that I'm not going
> > > completely insane before diving into the code to fix things for wx2.8.
> >
> > I'll try to look on Monday.
>
> Thanks. The problem is that gridlayout.h can't find wxTimer - I've tried
> this under both x86 and x86_64 with no success.
>
> > > It currently compiles fine with 2.6
> >
> > I enabled 2.6 compatibility in the build, so theoretically anything that
> > worked with 2.6 should work -- unless it was depending on 2.2 compatibility,
> > which is now gone.
>
> Nope, it's designed for use with 2.4 and 2.6
>
> TTFN
>
> Paul
> --
> "Mmmmmmmm....Shakira geschmiert mit schokolade" sagt Homer
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>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:15:05 +0100
> From: Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert at nurfuerspam.de>
> Subject: Naming Guidelines Clarification for plugins, docklets etc
> To: fedora-extras-list mailing list <fedora-extras-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <1166372105.3513.52.camel at hal9000.oberschlesier.lan>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Hi all,
>
> I think we need a clarification of the naming guidelines for plugins
> like panel applets, docklets and so on.
>
> > Addon Packages (General)
> > If a new package is considered an "addon" package that enhances or
> > adds a new functionality to an existing Fedora Core or Fedora Extras
> > package without being useful on its own, its name should reflect this
> > fact.
> >
> > The new package ("child") should prepend the "parent" package in its
> > name, in the format: %{parent}-%{child}.
>
> So we should at least have a "parent" or common prefix like "gnome" or
> "xfce", but ATM we have:
>
> * autobuild-applet: Panel applet for monitoring Test-AutoBuild
> server status
> * bubblemon: A system monitoring dockapp
> * contact-lookup-applet: Applet which allows you to search your
> Evolution address book
> * deskbar-applet: A Gnome applet to allow easy access to various
> search engines
> * gai-pal: GAI Pal applet
> * gai-temp: GAI based applet that displays HDD and CPU temperature
> * glunarclock: GNOME applet that displays the current lunar phase
> * gnome-applet-music: A GNOME panel applet to control various
> music players
> * gnome-applet-netmon: GNOME Network Load Applet
> * gnome-applet-netspeed: GNOME applet that shows traffic on a
> network device
> * gnome-applet-rhythmbox: A GNOME panel applet to control
> Rhythmbox's playback
> * gnome-applet-sensors: Gnome panel applet for hardware sensors
> * gnome-applet-timer: A countdown timer applet for the GNOME panel
> * gnome-applet-vm: Simple virtual domains monitor which embeds
> themselves in the GNOME panel (Core package)
> * gnome-cpufreq-applet: CPU frequency scaling monitor applet
> * lock-keys-applet: A GNOME panel applet that shows the status of
> the lock keys
> * padevchooser: Control applet for PulseAudio
> * panelfm: Quick File Manager Applet
> * verbiste-gnome: GNOME Panel applet for Verbiste (subpackage of
> verbiste)
> * wp_tray: A wallpaper-changing applet for GNOME
>
> Pending packages:
> * 219932 driconf - A configuration applet for the for the Direct
> Rendering Infrastructure
> * 218600 resapplet - Resolution Switching Applet
> * 174290 HDate-applet is an applet to show the hebrew date
>
> Options:
> 1. Make everything gnome-applet-<foo>, this is used for most
> packages atm and allows nice sorting
> 2. Make everything gnome-<foo>-applet, just like all the
> xfce4-panel-plugins: This is closer to the upstream names in
> most cases and might be better for packages like resapplet, wich
> would simply become gnome-resapplet instead of something stupid
> like gnome-applet-res or gnome-applet-resapplet
> (gnome-applet-resolution would be least worse)
> 3. Don't be so pedantic, only rename packages to their parent, the
> rest is maintainer's decision
> 4. Leave everything as it is now and don't make so much noise.
>
> I think we should at least agree on
> 1. a common prefix
> 2. a clarification of the naming/packaging guidelines
> 3. an addition to the guidelines: packages that don't use the
> upstream name should have a Provides: with the original name to
> allow simple installs
>
> Ideas?
>
> Christoph
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 17:44:04 +0100
> From: Frank B?ttner <frank-buettner at gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: Naming Guidelines Clarification for plugins, docklets etc
> To: Discussion related to Fedora Extras
> <fedora-extras-list at redhat.com>
> Message-ID: <458573D4.5040401 at gmx.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"
>
> Christoph Wickert schrieb:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I think we need a clarification of the naming guidelines for plugins
> > like panel applets, docklets and so on.
> >
> >> Addon Packages (General)
> >> If a new package is considered an "addon" package that enhances or
> >> adds a new functionality to an existing Fedora Core or Fedora Extras
> >> package without being useful on its own, its name should reflect this
> >> fact.
> >>
> >> The new package ("child") should prepend the "parent" package in its
> >> name, in the format: %{parent}-%{child}.
> >
> > So we should at least have a "parent" or common prefix like "gnome" or
> > "xfce", but ATM we have:
> >
> > * autobuild-applet: Panel applet for monitoring Test-AutoBuild
> > server status
> > * bubblemon: A system monitoring dockapp
> > * contact-lookup-applet: Applet which allows you to search your
> > Evolution address book
> > * deskbar-applet: A Gnome applet to allow easy access to various
> > search engines
> > * gai-pal: GAI Pal applet
> > * gai-temp: GAI based applet that displays HDD and CPU temperature
> > * glunarclock: GNOME applet that displays the current lunar phase
> > * gnome-applet-music: A GNOME panel applet to control various
> > music players
> > * gnome-applet-netmon: GNOME Network Load Applet
> > * gnome-applet-netspeed: GNOME applet that shows traffic on a
> > network device
> > * gnome-applet-rhythmbox: A GNOME panel applet to control
> > Rhythmbox's playback
> > * gnome-applet-sensors: Gnome panel applet for hardware sensors
> > * gnome-applet-timer: A countdown timer applet for the GNOME panel
> > * gnome-applet-vm: Simple virtual domains monitor which embeds
> > themselves in the GNOME panel (Core package)
> > * gnome-cpufreq-applet: CPU frequency scaling monitor applet
> > * lock-keys-applet: A GNOME panel applet that shows the status of
> > the lock keys
> > * padevchooser: Control applet for PulseAudio
> > * panelfm: Quick File Manager Applet
> > * verbiste-gnome: GNOME Panel applet for Verbiste (subpackage of
> > verbiste)
> > * wp_tray: A wallpaper-changing applet for GNOME
> >
> > Pending packages:
> > * 219932 driconf - A configuration applet for the for the Direct
> > Rendering Infrastructure
> > * 218600 resapplet - Resolution Switching Applet
> > * 174290 HDate-applet is an applet to show the hebrew date
> >
> > Options:
> > 1. Make everything gnome-applet-<foo>, this is used for most
> > packages atm and allows nice sorting
> > 2. Make everything gnome-<foo>-applet, just like all the
> > xfce4-panel-plugins: This is closer to the upstream names in
> > most cases and might be better for packages like resapplet, wich
> > would simply become gnome-resapplet instead of something stupid
> > like gnome-applet-res or gnome-applet-resapplet
> > (gnome-applet-resolution would be least worse)
> > 3. Don't be so pedantic, only rename packages to their parent, the
> > rest is maintainer's decision
> > 4. Leave everything as it is now and don't make so much noise.
> >
> > I think we should at least agree on
> > 1. a common prefix
> > 2. a clarification of the naming/packaging guidelines
> > 3. an addition to the guidelines: packages that don't use the
> > upstream name should have a Provides: with the original name to
> > allow simple installs
> >
> > Ideas?
> >
> > Christoph
> >
> Yes this will be an good idear, for all plug-ins, to make an clear
> naming convention.
> Frank.
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