[Fedora-infrastructure-list] Meeting Log 2006-08-17

[Dennis Gilmore]

Hey  guys,

attached is the log from the meeting yesterday.  We covered a fairly large 
amount of things which was good.

We really need someone to step up and replace pasqual with unifying the look 
and feel of the websites.

as well as to get things rolling on the FPD.

Thanks to all those who participated. 

Regards

Dennis
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[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:02:17] <dgilmore> everyone ready for the meeting?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:02:28] * pick is
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:02:30] <dgilmore> schedule is http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Schedule
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:02:50] <xDamox> yep
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:03:23] <dgilmore> Item 1 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:03:51] <dgilmore> we need a new person to step up and help with unifing the look and feel of our websites
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:04:10] <mazaj> html coder ?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:04:19] * iWolf wanders in.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:04:34] <mazaj> or some admin help with sites?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:04:50] <dgilmore> mazaj: we we want some way to apply a css style sheet to everything so they look the same
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:05:06] <mazaj> ahh..ok not me
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:05:08] <mazaj> :(
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:05:17] <dgilmore> cacti, nagios, a few other things make everything much more unified
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:05:27] <dgilmore> its a coding job
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:05:36] <dgilmore> pasqual was doing it but had to step down
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:06:11] Quit mspevack has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:06:58] <dgilmore> abadger1999, c4chris, cweyl, f13, lyz, rordway, skvidal, tibbs, warren: ping
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:07:06] <lyz> yello
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:07:06] <abadger1999> dgilmore: pong
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:07:09] <rordway> I are here
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:07:13] <tibbs> What's up?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:07:18] <warren> here
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:07:27] Nick pick is now known as stacy.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:07:30] <iWolf> here
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:07:31] <dgilmore> meeting we need a new unifiying the web look and feel guy
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:07:44] <dgilmore> hey stacy 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:07:57] <stacy> hey
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:08:09] <stacy> had some nuts and bolts stuff for when we get down the list
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:08:17] <dgilmore> cool :)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:08:31] <warren> is mike here today?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:08:31] <lyz> dgilmore, I'm not that good at CSS, but if someone needs a spotter, I'll help out
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:08:51] <xDamox> warren no
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:08:53] <tibbs> I have absolutely zero web design talent.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:09:01] <dgilmore> lyz: ok it probably really needs to be a few person job
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:09:08] <xDamox> He was on a train he said and I dont think it had internet access
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:09:15] <stacy> yeah
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:09:24] <dgilmore> lete move this to the list see if we can find some people
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:09:27] <dgilmore> lets
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:09:29] <tibbs> You can see thiefmissions.com for my web design resume.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:09:50] <dgilmore> Item2 : VCS
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:09:56] <dgilmore> anything to report
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:10:00] <lyz> tibbs, :)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:10:26] <abadger1999> We tried to install bzr on one of our servers this weekend but we don't have a recent enough python.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:10:40] <mazaj> if someone need assistant in SVN - call me
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:10:51] <warren> The two new servers we should have installed late August will be running FC6
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:11:00] <dgilmore> mazaj: we have svn installed and setup for testing i believe
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:11:16] <abadger1999> warren is looking into a new server for some Xen guests that we can set up within.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:11:22] <dgilmore> warren: cool so that will let us test things better
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:11:44] <dgilmore> so nothing else to report here?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:12:13] <dgilmore> Item3: Upgrading systems
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:12:25] <iWolf> warren: which two new servers are coming in late August?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:12:42] <dgilmore> db1 upgrade is waiting on the new hardware. I believe that everything else is done
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:12:58] <abadger1999> One thing about VCS -- it depends on the packaging database.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:13:24] <warren> stacy, did Max and Nate complete the order today?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:13:29] <dgilmore> abadger1999: lots of things are waiting on the packaging database. It really needs to eb a top priority
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:13:38] <abadger1999> So getting a new VCS deployed by FC7-testX means getting the packaging db up and running
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:13:55] <abadger1999> dgilmore: yep :-)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:13:56] <warren> yes.. lots of work =(
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:14:20] <stacy> max is putting the req in this morning warren
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:14:21] <dgilmore> and its not in our schedule
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:14:36] <warren> stacy, morning?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:14:40] <stacy> we have not heard from finance yet
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:14:43] <stacy> this morning
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:14:45] <warren> oh
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:14:53] <stacy> now
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:14:57] <stacy> might ask max
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:15:01] <stacy> but that is what nate and I were told
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:15:10] <warren> We had to make the order today if it was possible to delivery
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:15:14] <stacy> sure
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:15:17] <stacy> might poke him
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:15:43] <warren> But the Dell donation coming from LWE might suffice for infastructure team's needs meanwhile.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:15:47] <stacy> ok
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:15:52] <stacy> I sent the addr for that to be sent to
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:15:55] <stacy> you should have it now
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:16:01] <abadger1999> dgilmore: Right. Who's in charge of it? What's the status?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:16:06] <warren> mspevack_hm, around?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:16:19] <dgilmore> abadger1999: i guess warren is in charge of it
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:16:39] <warren> I'll coordinate with RH people regarding the servers.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:16:39] <dgilmore> status trying to work out the exact requirements
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:16:57] <stacy> max is not answering at his desk
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:17:01] <dgilmore> warren: were you looking after the package db or someone else?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:17:58] <dgilmore> abadger1999: if no one else wants it put me down
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:18:56] <abadger1999> dgilmore: I'm interested in it too, but if I work on it I can't work on the VCS stuff (esp. getting mercurial off the ground.)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:19:28] Join mspevack has joined this channel (n=mspevack at nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com).
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:19:29] <abadger1999> Do you want to drive and you can call on me if you need someone to help code?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:19:35] <dgilmore> abadger1999: put me down, everyone can help
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:19:44] <dgilmore> sure
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:19:54] <warren> Package Database is important to our future, but so is VCS. VCS is probably easier.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:20:08] <warren> mspevack, hey Max, did we manage to make the order today?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:21:03] <mazaj> package db, VCS - i can help any time , just tell exactly what to do ;)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:21:34] <mspevack> warren: yeah, what a total disaster our purchase order system is
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:21:55] <mspevack> not to mention the fact that if you're running Fedora, you CAN'T EVEN PLACE ONE
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:22:05] <abadger1999> warren: VCS hooks to the Package DB, though... Administration of the permissions in the VCS should be done in the PackageDB at least.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:22:08] <dgilmore> mspevack: wtf :(
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:22:28] <mspevack> dgilmore: hey, it's ordered so all's well that ends well
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:22:35] <dgilmore> :) 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:22:40] <stacy> mspevack, what is the req number?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:22:42] <warren> mspevack, it is their job to make it as difficult as possible to spend money.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:22:43] <stacy> I can track it down
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:22:45] <abadger1999> Could have the VCS hook into a prerelease package db that's meant just to drive that aspect of the VCS, though.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:22:53] <dgilmore> abadger1999: yeah it should be done there
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:23:38] <warren> abadger1999, we can do VCS capabilities without FPD, we just design hooks to replace later.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:24:15] <abadger1999> warren: Yeah. But we'd probably want to have it hook to some sort of DB so it's easy to pull the permissions to the real package db later.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:24:51] <abadger1999> Otherwise we'll have to capture the information from the repository which is possible but more work.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:24:54] <warren> hmm... this first DB would give a clearer picture of one aspect in the final FPD
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:25:08] <abadger1999> That is true. A prototype of what's needed later.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:25:09] <warren> keep in mind that the first implementation of anything will probably be rewritten
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:26:15] <abadger1999> So maybe we should try to get a package db that isn't perfect, but it's enough to identify issues and get the new VCS running.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:26:26] <dgilmore> :) yep so we need to get a rough alpha FPD in place sometime pretty soon
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[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:27:40] <warren> I don't think we need a database to get an idea of VCS capabilities, DB driven permissions is the second step really.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:28:54] <dgilmore> nope but it would help with having it close to final implementation
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[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:29:31] <warren> yes, exactly
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:30:19] <warren> So the topic of VCS, we will test capabilities of both mercurial and bzr when we have the servers installed.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:30:36] <dgilmore> yep and we have svn installed somewhere already
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:30:41] <abadger1999> Sounds good.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:30:49] <warren> I think after we choose one based upon capabilities and judgements of future maintainability, we can work on the database aspects.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:31:13] <dgilmore> we can always make it work with our systems somehow. 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:31:27] <dgilmore> lmacken: whats the status of pyroman?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:31:32] <warren> Without anybody able to focus 100% on FPD, we may have to build FPD from the ground up to get a clearer idea of what we need. Then rewrite it.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:31:53] <dgilmore> then rewrite it again
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:31:58] <lmacken> dgilmore: I haven't deployed our configuration on anymore systems. I'm going to make time this weekend to do it.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:32:14] <dgilmore> lmacken: cool what systems are left?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:32:32] <lmacken> i think i remember someone saying that they deployed it on a bunch of the systems that just got rebuilt.. but the deployment status on the wiki isn't updated :(
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:32:46] <lmacken> i'm going to try to find some time this weekend just to crank through them
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:32:48] <dgilmore> lmacken: i think its on all the builders
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:33:01] <lmacken> ah, ok
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:33:05] <dgilmore> mmcgrath put them in place after i rebuilt them
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:33:22] <dgilmore> but we should double check with him and have him update the status
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:33:42] <lmacken> sounds good
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:34:04] <dgilmore> lmacken: your next also TurboGears
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:34:28] <warren> oh yes, TurboGears is probably very relevant to FPD
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:34:30] <lmacken> python-simplejson made it though the review process. still waiting on python-paste-{script,deploy}
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:34:39] <lmacken> waiting on a naming issue wrt python submodules
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:35:05] <lmacken> i've been keeping my local TurboGears spec up to date with the latest releases, so once they make it through i can get it right out
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:35:25] <dgilmore> cool 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:35:58] <abadger1999> Doesn't look like the Packaging Committee is realy aware of the naming issue.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:36:10] <abadger1999> I'll see if I can bring that to their attention this week.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:36:27] <lmacken> cool, thanks
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:36:32] <dgilmore> abadger1999: can you push to get this resolved quickly please
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:36:56] <dgilmore> Documenting Infrastructure:
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:37:01] <abadger1999> dgilmore: Will do. I'll send an email and hopefully vote on it next week.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:37:14] <stacy> dgilmore, I owe that to warren
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:37:16] <dgilmore> I know i need to finish my report on the process
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:37:19] <stacy> that is part of why I am here
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:37:28] <warren> owe what?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:37:30] <stacy> from a physical/access standpoint
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:37:37] <stacy> the documentation
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:37:51] <stacy> #6 Documenting infrastructure
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:37:53] <dgilmore> opps 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:03] <dgilmore> of what i did rebuilding the builders
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:07] <warren> oh, I thought I was blamed for something =)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:11] <stacy> nah :)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:16] <stacy> Once we rebuild the rack there
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:34] <warren> We'll have the space to add more servers
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:40] <warren> including the two heading there
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:42] <stacy> I will make sure the methods for access and documents around the physical build are sent to you
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:45] <dgilmore> stacy: how much space do we have?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:46] <stacy> yep
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:50] <stacy> right now
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:51] <stacy> 0U
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:56] <stacy> after the end of the month
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:56] <dgilmore> :(
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:57] <warren> cool, thanks
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:38:58] <stacy> at least another 20U
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:39:07] <stacy> we have a half height rack now for fedora
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:39:14] <stacy> I "reappropriate" a full rack
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:39:16] <dgilmore> cool so we really dont have room for the servers we are getting
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:39:20] <stacy> and new PDUs/Cyclades for fedora
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:39:30] <stacy> from another project at a big named company with a hat
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:39:40] <dgilmore> stacy: cool.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:39:40] <stacy> and I am going to move the gear into it
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:39:43] <stacy> to make room
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:39:46] <iWolf> stacy: nice!
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:39:47] <stacy> make maint easier
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:39:55] <stacy> and give a lights out access method
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:40:01] <dgilmore> stacy: did you manage to check out the bios over serial port for the hammers?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:40:11] <stacy> but don't tell Charlie Peters :)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:40:19] <stacy> not yet
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:40:26] <stacy> I am out there the last week of the month
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:40:28] <stacy> I will do it then
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:40:38] <stacy> I am also moving across country to be close to that site
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:40:44] <stacy> Then we can get hands on anytime
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:40:57] <dgilmore> cool. i got by without it when i rebuilt them buty was concerend we could end up without one of them
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:40:59] <stacy> and I have more time to nudge gnome out of the way for fedora ;)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:41:12] <stacy> dgilmore, I always have a way
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:41:17] <stacy> if you get in that position call me
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:41:19] <stacy> or email me
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:41:23] <stacy> sbranden at redhat.com
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:41:34] <stacy> I have methods for gaining access
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:41:42] <dgilmore> :) good to know
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:41:54] <stacy> I am your POC for any physical needs
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:41:59] * dgilmore would like stacy's job i think 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:42:03] <stacy> feel free to add that to the docs
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:42:07] <stacy> no
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:42:09] <stacy> you would not :)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:42:20] <warren> stacy, I am very glad that GIS is taking Fedora infrastructure needs very seriously. =)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:42:29] <stacy> we try
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:42:37] <stacy> as a company it is not really a priority from where I sit
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:42:40] <stacy> but that is shit
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:42:51] <warren> Exactly
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:43:10] <stacy> I will make things happen if we need to
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:43:10] * dgilmore applied for a IS/IT job in Boston the other week 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:43:17] <stacy> really?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:43:18] <dgilmore> anyways
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:43:20] <dgilmore> yeah
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:43:23] <stacy> send me your resume
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:43:27] <stacy> I sit next to the hiring manager
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:43:33] <stacy> I can nudge it
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:43:35] <dgilmore> :) cool
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:43:41] <dgilmore> i will get it to you
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:44:01] <dgilmore> anyone have anything to add on documentation?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:44:21] <stacy> BTW back to the order with Max - Just confirmed it is ordered and ready for shipment to phx
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:44:31] <dgilmore> :D awsome
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[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:45:05] * c4chris is back, scrolls back a bit and starts to read....
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:45:14] <stacy> ok moving on?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:45:17] <stacy> skvidal, you around?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:45:36] <stacy> dgilmore, backups?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:46:07] <dgilmore> currently BackupPC is installed and mmcgrath has done an initial install and configuration
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:46:20] * dgilmore doesnt have the access to do that. 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:46:44] <dgilmore> we need to review whats being backed up and ensure we are getting everything we need to
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:47:11] <dgilmore> we also need to setup access to restore stuff for those in charge of the different systems
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:48:15] <dgilmore> stacy: is there anyway we can get something at a site other than the colo for DR purposes?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:48:26] <stacy> yes
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:48:35] <stacy> I have a DC in TPA as well that we can place some limited stuff at
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:48:58] <dgilmore> cool it could be nice to have at least the last full backup there
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:49:31] <warren> ACK, my internet became packet phobic for a few minutes there.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:49:48] <dgilmore> warren: we did that to you on purpose :D
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:51:18] <dgilmore> ok next 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:51:23] <dgilmore> Servers from Dell
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:51:42] <dgilmore> mspevack: do you know when you should get them
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:52:00] <warren> dgilmore, both are to be shipped directly to the colo.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:52:20] <dgilmore> warren: cool last i knew they were going to max
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:52:25] <warren> dgilmore, stacy is going to install pre-FC6 on both, cleanup our rack and have them installed at the end of August.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:52:34] <mspevack> more efficient to go right to phx
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:52:36] <iWolf> warren: are those the 2950's?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:52:42] <warren> the donated one is 1950
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:52:57] <iWolf> warren: and is one of those supposed to be the new DB server or is that different hardware?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:53:05] <dgilmore> warren: so we are buying one and having one donated?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:53:20] <warren> yes
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:53:29] <stacy> warren will pre-FC6 be posted publically?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:53:41] <stacy> ie will it use the storage methods for general FC releases?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:53:45] <stacy> I can use that for KS
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:53:50] <stacy> if not I will need CDs
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:53:57] <warren> stacy, test2 would be fine, we can upgrade into what we need.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:54:01] <stacy> ok
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:54:11] <stacy> are you going to build a KS.cfg?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:54:28] <warren> good question
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:54:35] <dgilmore> iWolf: i think we were going to install a xen instance for db
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:54:37] <stacy> if so, you can set up a PXE/KS server
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:54:44] <stacy> and then all you need to do is go to bios and reboot
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:54:50] <stacy> BAM you have a new server in 5 min
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:54:57] <stacy> that is the way we do our stuff
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:55:07] <iWolf> dgilmore: Cool, that works to! I was just hoping we were sticking with RHEL for the DB.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:55:11] <stacy> but I am not sure we can leverage the PXE/KS server we have there as it is on a secure network from fedora
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:55:22] <warren> This might be a little unpredictable given that FC6 is still changing.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:55:40] <warren> stacy, that would be a good plan a little later I think.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:55:46] <stacy> ok
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:55:57] <warren> iWolf, I hope to run xen on both boxes.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:56:10] <warren> hmm, we should put another 2GB RAM into the donated box.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:56:23] <warren> iWolf, then we can have the FPD development testing in a guest somewhere.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:56:29] <dgilmore> stacy: i used mirrors.kernel.org when i installed fc5 on the builders but the nfs share could have been used also
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:56:47] <stacy> ok
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:56:52] <iWolf> warren: sounds good. thanks!
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:57:10] <stacy> if mirrors.kernel.org has it, fedora should be able to access the master in PHX :)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:57:52] <warren> stacy, any idea how much 2GB more RAM for a 1950 would cost?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:57:55] <dgilmore> stacy: i think that there is a firewall issue using download.fedora.redhat.com from the fedora side
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:58:43] <stacy> dgilmore, I am the FW master :)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:58:49] * stacy makes things happen if needed
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:58:49] Quit lyz has left this server (Remote closed the connection).
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:59:17] <dgilmore> stacy: cool mmcgrath knows much more about the issue of fedora servers talking to redhat ones
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:59:50] <dgilmore> anything more on the servers?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [15:59:59] <stacy> 2GB costs about 400
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:00:11] <dgilmore> if not the next two items are kind of releated
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:00:20] <warren> It sounds like many of our projects are being held back by inability to deploy them in the public and test it.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:00:39] <dgilmore> warren: thats one of the issues
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:01:04] <warren> mspevack, could we pony up the extra $400 for more RAM for the donated box, so both servers would be flexible and useful for Xen?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:01:06] <dgilmore> another is having the people with the skills for what we need
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:01:40] <warren> with 4GB, we could comfortably run 3 or 4 guests on the donated box, although slower. Devel projects can run there. The beefy box can run guests with some real performance, even a decent production service is fine there.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:02:39] <dgilmore> warren: how about we do this, the bigger box will host db2, and the vcs instances
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:03:01] <dgilmore> the donated box can be the test bed for things like ldap, FPD
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:03:18] <warren> Directory Server is pretty RAM intensive
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:03:39] <dgilmore> but for testing it should be ok
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:03:41] <stacy> all
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:03:44] <stacy> I can buy the ram
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:03:47] <warren> mdomsch informs me that the donated box may already have a crazy amount of RAM =)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:03:51] <stacy> Once I get to PHX I can run over to Frys and get it
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:03:54] <stacy> much easier
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:03:58] <stacy> I will just expense it
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:04:00] <dgilmore> cool
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:04:11] <stacy> so lets see what it has
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:04:13] <stacy> and if we need more
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:04:15] <warren> OK, if it doesn't, stacy can fix that problem quickly.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:04:18] <stacy> I can pick it up pretty easy
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:04:21] <stacy> 400 is mouse nuts
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:04:25] <rordway> cool
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:04:34] <warren> dgilmore, regarding what runs where, we can figure that out easily later. Let's figure out what we have first.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:04:47] <dgilmore> warren: :) ok 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:04:49] <rordway> mmmm... mouse nuts?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:04:59] <warren> mdomsch thinks it has 4GB minimum, so we're probably fine
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:05:34] <dgilmore> so we are settled on server issues?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:05:43] <stacy> think so
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:05:54] <dgilmore> next two issues are kinda releated 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:05:58] <warren> k
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:06:14] <dgilmore> I need to setup mock configs and plague configs for legacy
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:06:27] <dgilmore> so that they can build on the builders
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:06:44] <dgilmore> for 1 it brings them closer and 2 they dont have ppc machines
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:07:06] <stacy> who does not have PPC?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:07:15] <dgilmore> aand i need to get somewher to rsync legacy updates and put them in the mock configs for FE3 and FE4
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:07:23] <dgilmore> fedora legacy
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:07:27] <stacy> ah
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:07:36] <warren> 2 dual-core Xeon 5110 4MB cache 1.6GHz, 4GB RAM minimum, 2x73GB SCSI drives
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:07:37] <stacy> you know you have at least one right ;)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:07:47] <warren> Aside from the storage, this is more powerful than the server we ordered.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:08:03] <mspevack> warren: sorry, i was afk
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:08:07] <mspevack> warren: yes, we can get 400
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:08:13] <warren> mspevack, actually, wont need it =)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:08:29] <mspevack> warren: in that case, $400 worth of ipods. :-) (just kidding)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:08:34] * stacy laughs
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:08:39] <warren> mspevack, oh, so 1.5 ipods? =)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:08:44] <mspevack> you get the .5
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:08:45] <dgilmore> mspevack: id rather something that plays ogg
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:08:46] <stacy> I get the 1st one
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:09:05] <stacy> ok what else
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:09:11] <stacy> it is past beer o'clock
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:09:25] <dgilmore> lets quickly run over lower priority things 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:09:29] <stacy> sure
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:09:31] <dgilmore> rordway: metrics?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:10:07] <rordway> dgilmore: not much headway, still poking along when I get time. I've been putting in about 70 hour weeks the last few weeks
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:10:17] <rordway> summer will be over soon
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:10:18] <dgilmore> rordway: :( ok 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:10:39] <dgilmore> mirror management i think has seen some good progress
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:11:04] <dgilmore> f13: fc6t2 is using the mirror management stuff right?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:11:27] <dgilmore> anyone know anything about the hardware reporting tool?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:11:50] <iWolf> dgilmore: that's usuall xDamox
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:12:11] <dgilmore> iWolf: cool he dropped off earlier
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:12:24] <dgilmore> anyone got anything else to add?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:12:35] <stacy> anything
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:12:38] <stacy> in general?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:12:40] <stacy> yes
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:12:47] <stacy> I was letting you finish the list first
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:12:49] <dgilmore> stacy: shoot the floor is yours
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:12:49] <stacy> if we are there
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:12:52] <stacy> ok
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:12:59] <stacy> I propose an outage on the 30th
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:13:08] <f13> dgilmore: yes.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:13:12] <stacy> We can put up a static HTML page that says - fedora is offline for maint
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:13:16] <stacy> during the time
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:13:19] <stacy> and what I want to do
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:13:25] <stacy> is move everything to the new larger rack
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:13:32] <stacy> get everything in a single easily managed rack
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:13:40] <warren> stacy, what time do you fly that day?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:13:41] <stacy> should take about 4 hours
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:13:45] <dgilmore> stacy: im ok with that 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:13:49] <stacy> I leave on the 1st
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:13:53] <warren> ahh, ok
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:14:00] <stacy> this gives me time if I make a mistake - to fix it
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:14:05] <stacy> on the 31st
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:14:09] <stacy> problem is
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:14:22] <stacy> I have a meeting with the pres of AT&T that day to speak about his inability to make me happy.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:14:35] <stacy> so I may need a little extra time in the middle for his royalness
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:14:40] <dgilmore> stacy: they dont make me happy either
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:14:46] <stacy> so I would like to say
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:14:51] <stacy> start at 9:00a MTN
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:15:01] <stacy> and end no later than 5pm MTN
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:15:09] <stacy> I am sure we can move faster
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:15:14] <stacy> but need to be safe
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:15:21] <stacy> is that ok with everyone?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:15:26] <dgilmore> fine with me
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:15:30] <stacy> ok
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:15:49] <stacy> who can send me a static page to put up for the outage content?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:15:51] <dgilmore> we will need to send announcements to probably every mailing list but thats not a huge deal
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:15:54] <iWolf> stacy: gppd with me, sounds like it is for the greater good.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:16:02] <stacy> or are you ok with one of the prodops guys just making one up?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:16:19] <stacy> iWolf, this will be much goodness afterwards
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:16:30] * iWolf dreams of goodness
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:16:31] <stacy> also frees up a rack space on the floor for future needs ;)
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:16:35] <dgilmore> abadger1999: you want to do a static off line page
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:16:46] <dgilmore> or i can or anyone can really 
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:17:12] <stacy> http://66.187.224.110/
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:17:21] <stacy> we can use that and just modify the RHN centric info
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:17:23] <abadger1999> Would you be willing to? I'm juggling a few other responsibilities right now.
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:17:25] <stacy> to say fedora
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:17:39] <dgilmore> stacy: ill get you a static page
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:17:42] <stacy> ok
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:19:01] <rordway> I gotta run, I'll catchup later. adios
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:19:16] <warren> I have to go
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:19:22] <stacy> ok
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:19:30] <stacy> so are we done?
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:19:31] <warren> thanks everyone
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:19:34] <stacy> indeed thanks
[Thu Aug 17 2006] [16:19:38] * stacy is away: I'm F@*&'n busy drinking a beer!
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