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Meeting Log - 2007-10-11



16:00:57 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Infrastructure -- Role Call
16:00:59 < mmcgrath> who's here?
16:01:12  * ivazquez looks around
16:01:13  * ricky is.
16:01:14 < jcollie> hey, i'm actually here for once :)
16:01:43 < mmcgrath> abadger1999 dgilmore f13 ivazquez jcollie  mdomsch paulobanon ricky skvidal + 
                     anyone I've missed ping
16:01:54 < abadger1999> pong
psed"]
16:02:37 < jcollie> ricky, what worked?
16:03:01 < ricky> The warren and jeremy not dropping on "/me "
16:03:10 < jcollie> ah
16:03:18 < mmcgrath> k, lets get started.
16:03:22 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Tickets
16:03:28 < mmcgrath> .tiny 
https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=%7EMeeting&order=priority
16:03:28 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/yth34b
16:03:46 < mmcgrath> First ticket is 154 - DNS.
16:04:03 < mmcgrath> Most of this is done in regards to the new setup
16:04:10 < mmcgrath> vpn that is
16:04:44 < jcollie> i've been out of it, what's being used for the vpn?
16:05:04 < mmcgrath> jcollie: in the near future just about everything, we've started decentralizing our 
                     infrastructure.
16:05:23 < jcollie> nono, i mean, openvpn or ipsec
16:05:23 < mmcgrath> This has caused our network design to get more complicated but in general it will 
                     make systems administration easier.
16:05:28 < ricky> OpenVPN, I think.
16:06:12 < mmcgrath> <nod> openvpn
16:06:13 < jcollie> ok, i use openvpn myself to vpn back home
16:06:33 < mmcgrath> I've also added header information to our app and proxy servers so we can see which 
                     servers were hit and how long it took.
16:06:40 < mmcgrath> for example:
16:06:57 < mmcgrath> wget -SO/dev/null https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/smolt
16:07:15 < mmcgrath> or
16:07:19 < mmcgrath> .headers https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/smolt/
16:07:20 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: apptime: D=345385, content-length: 9641, set-cookie: 
                        trac_form_token=3110fc1bbbfa94c87a1f901e; Path=/projects/smolt;, 
                        trac_session=f3754ce4b4ca65ece51f2ae2; expires=Wed, 09-Jan-2008 20:07:20 GMT; 
                        Path=/projects/smolt;, proxytime: D=348694, expires: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 00:00:00 
                        GMT, connection: close, server: Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat), appserver: 
                        app2.fedora.phx.redhat.com, proxyserver: (1 more message)
16:07:23 < ricky> Will we have .fedoraproject.org in the search path at some time?  (Just a tiny quibble)
16:07:40 < ricky> .more
16:07:41 < mmcgrathbot> ricky: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone 
                        else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
16:07:43 < mmcgrath> ricky: once all the vpn stuff is done we'll have vpn.fedoraproject.org in the 
                     search path
16:07:46 < mmcgrath> .more
16:07:46 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: proxy2.fedora.phx.redhat.com, cache-control: must-revalidate, date: 
                        Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:07:20 GMT, content-type: text/html;charset=utf-8
16:07:50 < mmcgrath> ricky: :)
16:07:54 < ricky> Aha, OK :)
16:08:04 < mmcgrath> I'll try to get those on two lines right by eachother.
16:08:09 < mmcgrath> .headers https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/smolt/
16:08:10 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: apptime: D=333311, content-length: 9641, set-cookie: 
                        trac_form_token=3b42359184712efe53566b65; Path=/projects/smolt;, 
                        trac_session=ca704f123bbbdfe401559eba; expires=Wed, 09-Jan-2008 20:08:10 GMT; 
                        Path=/projects/smolt;, proxytime: D=336297, expires: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 00:00:00 
                        GMT, connection: close, server: Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat), appserver: 
                        app2.fedora.phx.redhat.com, proxyserver: (1 more message)
16:08:11 < mmcgrath> .more
16:08:12 < mmcgrathbot> mmcgrath: proxy1, cache-control: must-revalidate, date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 
                        20:08:09 GMT, content-type: text/html;charset=utf-8
16:09:04 < ivazquez> Why didn't that one give a FQDN for the proxy?
16:09:10 < abadger1999> Those headers will be a lifesaver the next time we have issues.
16:09:16 < abadger1999> very nice.
16:09:24 < mmcgrath> Ok, so that last request hit appserver app2, and proxy server proxy1.  Total time 
                     to generate (proxy time) was 336297ms.  Of that, the app server was 333311ms was 
                     the app server.
16:09:29 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: thats the idea :)
16:09:40 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: its using $HOSTNAME so that box probably is configured differently for 
                     hostname.
16:10:05 < ivazquez> Worth adding a ticket for?
16:10:11 < mmcgrath> anywho, I wanted to make sure to share that with everyone as it will make 
                     troubleshooting.
16:10:24 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: up to you, its worth taking a look to make sure they're both configured 
                     the same way.
16:11:05 < mmcgrath> This is also something we can use to have our users help us troubleshoot, I've got 
                     a firefox plugin that displays the app server and proxy server in my status bar for 
                     every fedora page.
16:11:19 < mmcgrath> Anyone have any questions on that or DNS?  If not we'll move on.
16:11:37 < ricky> Cool at the Firefox plugin.
16:12:10 < mmcgrath> ricky: its a combo of Live HTTP Headers and Header Spy
16:12:27 < jcollie> i saw a bit on securing the DNS, is that something like 
                    http://www.cymru.com/Documents/secure-bind-template.html
16:12:49 < mmcgrath> This will also give us some solid numbers as to how much time our proxy servers are 
                     adding.  Which, so far, has been very small.
16:12:58 -!- BhanuPatia1 [n=bhanu dialpool-210-214-122-102 maa sify net] has quit "Leaving."
16:13:31 < mmcgrath> jcollie: could be handy.  If you think its something we could use after a bit of 
                     research let us know.
16:13:41 < mmcgrath> Ok, I'll move on.  there's really not that much to talk about this meeting I think.
16:13:42 < ricky> Maybe I'm being silly, but isn't 336297ms >5 minutes?
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16:14:02 < jcollie> yeah i don't follow that word for word but it helps with locking things down
16:14:19 < ivazquez> I think those might be in ns.
16:14:27 < ricky> Aha, OK :)
16:14:35 < ivazquez> Or us, rather.
16:14:55 < ricky> That's much better.
16:15:00 < ivazquez> (I hope they're not jiffies...)
16:15:19 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: looks like microseconds.
16:15:28 < mmcgrath> http://www.csgnetwork.com/timemath.html
16:15:37 < mmcgrath> Ok, next ticket is #170
16:15:44 < mmcgrath> mizmo has been working on a good mockup for us.
16:15:58 < mmcgrath> f13: whats the lastest on the games spin?  Is it approved, still waiting for 
                     testing?
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16:16:55 < mmcgrath> jeremy: ^^ ?
16:16:59 < EvilBob> When can more spins be added to the queue and what are the submission requirements.
16:17:00 < jcollie> looks like a cool plan... are the spins going to be bittorrent only?
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16:17:20  * mmcgrath gets link
16:17:56 < mmcgrath> EvilBob: this isn't completely set in stone yet but is what we're following right 
                     now - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/CustomSpins
16:17:59 < jeremy> mmcgrath: I think largely we just need to figure out some of the bits around 
                   spins.fedoraproject.org and it'll happen.  I didn't see any no's, just "need to 
                   finish fleshing out the details for hosting, etc"
16:18:19  * dgilmore is here
16:18:20 < EvilBob> mmcgrath: Thanks
16:18:27 < mmcgrath> jeremy: I didn't realize it had been approved yet.  I'll have something ready by 
                     the end of the day.
16:19:21 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else regarding the custom spins?
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          (Connection timed out)
16:20:07 < mmcgrath> k, moving on to the schedules apge
16:20:13 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Schedule
16:20:59 < mmcgrath> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Schedule
16:21:32 < mmcgrath> On the topic of corporate sponsorship I had another meeting with the people from 
                     peer 1 on monday, nothing new.  I'm pretty hopeful but they're working out some 
                     technical and marketing details.
16:21:45 < jwb_gone> peer 1?
16:21:58 < mmcgrath> I'm really hoping they will be able to provide us with torrent and hosted.fp.o 
                     space.
16:22:01 < jwb_gone> nevermind, ignore me
16:22:17 < mmcgrath> :)
16:22:29 < spoleeba> jwb_gone, you were thinking pier 1
16:22:33 < jwb_gone> yes
16:22:49 < mmcgrath> Also we've gotten funding a server which I've put a PO request in to be delivered 
                     to Germany.
16:22:54 < mmcgrath> I don't have shipping information yet though.
16:23:18 < mmcgrath> Anyone have any questions regarding the corporate sponsorship thats been going on?
16:23:53 < mmcgrath> k
16:23:58 < mmcgrath> nothing new on architectural documentation
16:24:37 < mmcgrath> And as far as SOP's go I've added one on our netapp setup - 
                     http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/SOP/netapps
16:24:51  * dgilmore is around now 
16:25:01 < mmcgrath> as always you can get a list of all the SOP's we've got at the bottom of the 
                     http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/SOP page
16:25:08 < mmcgrath> Thats all I've got so I'll open the floor
16:25:14 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor
16:25:25 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?
16:25:55 < abadger1999> wwoods has been doing some good work on a python-bugzilla module.
16:26:10 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: such as? :)
16:26:11 < abadger1999> I'm goingto add it to the fi repo until he gets it into Fedora
16:26:28 < abadger1999> and start using it with the packagedb to link to bugs on packages.
16:27:06 < abadger1999> http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/python-bugzilla/
16:27:42 < mdomsch> abadger1999, skvidal's been hacking something together using that too
16:27:48 < mdomsch> packages.fp.o
16:27:56 < abadger1999> Yeah -- we've been talking about what needs to go where.
16:28:00 < mdomsch> cool
16:28:06 < mmcgrath> that will be handy.
16:28:08 < abadger1999> I'll be taking his bug page and incorporating it into the pkgdb.
16:28:23 < abadger1999> He'll get repoview running on packages.fp.o and link to the pkgdb bug page.
16:28:24 < mmcgrath> It seems like decent integration of a lot of our services is just on the horizon.  
                     Thats good.
16:29:08 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, how are we on storage?
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16:29:32 < mdomsch> or should I not ask ? :-)
16:29:55 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: we're about to hit 85% on the netapp which will put us in "warning" I've 
                     been asking repeatedly for the koji cleanup to happen but it just hasn't yet.
16:30:20 < mmcgrath> The thing I'm worried about is if the cleanup doesn't actually clean much up.  By 
                     the time we get funding and a netapp installed it might be too late.
16:30:49 < mmcgrath> The other thing I've been realizing is we've got some pretty expensive storage for 
                     RPMS that just sit there, I'm wondering if we shouldn't invest in a different 
                     medium for the koji storage.
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16:31:44 < mdomsch> amen
16:32:31 < mmcgrath> I think I'll start a thread about that on fedora-infrastructure.  I've done some 
                     research on price/G.  netapps are freaking awesome but we pay out the nose for them.
16:32:40 < mmcgrath> I wonder if we just should get a powervault and load it up.
16:32:55 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: whats the largest powervault you guys have?
16:33:54 < mdomsch> MD3000i iSCSI attached
16:33:59 < jcollie> 353TB?
16:34:14 < jcollie> according to this: 
                    http://www.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/sanet_fibre?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
16:34:31 < mmcgrath> <nod>  I'll start a thread on the list.
16:34:53 < mdomsch> 15 400GB drives
16:35:23 < mdomsch> in one enclosure
16:35:32 < jcollie> http://www.dell.com/content/products/results.aspx/pvaul_md3000i?~ck=anav&c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04
16:35:34 < mdomsch> plus 2 more enclosures
16:35:38 < jcollie> says 18TB
16:35:40 < mdomsch> so, 45 400GB disks
16:36:00 < mmcgrath> thanks, I'll do some research.
16:36:19 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone else have anything to discuss?
16:36:32 < mmcgrath> If not I'll end the meeting in 30.
16:36:53 < mmcgrath> 15
16:36:59 < mmcgrath> OH one thing.
16:37:14 < abadger1999> stop the presses! :-)
16:37:26 < mmcgrath> I wanted to thank mizmo, ricky and ivazquez for working on the website stuff.  
                     They've been doing some good work.
16:37:29 < mmcgrath> ok.
16:37:31 < mmcgrath> 10
16:37:34 < mdomsch> hear hear
16:37:39 < mmcgrath> 5
16:37:47 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting End
16:37:51 < mmcgrath> thanks for coming everyone

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