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Meeting Log - 2008-02-28



15:01 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Who's Here?
15:01 < mmcgrath> So... who's here?
15:01 < ivazquez> Pong.
15:01 < gkrpan> Greg Krpan here
15:01  * f13 
15:01 < f13> although going to get a snack
15:01  * jeremy waves
15:01 < mmcgrath> gkrpan: hello Greg
15:02 < gkrpan> hi Mike
15:02  * Wakko666 watches from the cheap seats.
15:02  * skvidal is here
15:03 < mmcgrath> alllrighty then, lets get started
15:03 < mmcgrath> First the tickets
15:03 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Tickets
15:03  * nirik is also in the spectator seats. 
15:03 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=%7EMeeting&order=priority
15:03 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/2hyyz6
15:03 < mmcgrath> first ticket
15:03 < mmcgrath> .421
15:03 < mmcgrath> err
15:03 < mmcgrath> .ticket 421
15:04 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #421 (Fedora Mirror Space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/421
15:04 < mmcgrath> So the board has decided that secondary arch's are worth of official fedora mirror space.  I agree.
15:04 < mmcgrath> So now we've got to find mirror space.
15:04 < mmcgrath> Some of you may have seen my call yesterday (http://mmcgrath.net/) for space.
15:05 < mmcgrath> there are a couple of wheels in motion right now but exactly what solution we're going to do is unclear.
15:05 < f13> mmcgrath: hrm, you know, all we have to do for the stuff that's not older than 3 years old is keep the old url functional, the one we did our export file on.
15:05 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser 195 229 24 83] has left #fedora-meeting ["Time to go"]
15:05 < f13> mmcgrath: we could move that content to another host and setup a redirect, and keep it off the master netapp
15:05 < mmcgrath> f13: yeah, we still have to host it somewhere though, and we don't have that much space available right this second.
15:05 < f13> mmcgrath: that could let us archive 4,5,and 6
15:05 < f13> mmcgrath: sure.
15:05 < mmcgrath> <nod>
15:05 < mmcgrath> lots of options.
15:06 < mmcgrath> I really don't think we'll get stuck not being able to put the bits up there, just a matter of finding out where the bits go :)
15:06 < f13> yeah
15:06 < mmcgrath> f13: did you happen to talk to legal about the test releases and our obligations?
15:06 < mmcgrath> I'm not really sure who's charge that is.  Maybe spot?
15:06 < f13> mmcgrath: we haven't talked yet
15:06 < f13> I was going to do that today, utnil I was surpised with the need to work from home
15:06 < f13> maybe spot and I can do that tomorrow
15:07  * spot nods
15:07 -!- cebbert_ [n=cebbert nat/redhat/x-222f1705c2f83827] has joined #fedora-meeting
15:07 < mmcgrath> cool, not a huge rush or anything.  but it'd be nice to know.
15:07 < f13> yeah, it's chewing on my mind
15:08 < mmcgrath> alrighty, anyone have any questions about 421?  If not we'll move on.
15:08  * glezos is here in case he's needed
15:08 < mmcgrath> .ticket 347
15:08 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #347 (Set localtime on all our servers to UTC) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/347
15:08 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: we still all set for tonight?
15:09  * mmcgrath thinks it was tonight.  
15:09 < mmcgrath> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2008-February/msg00013.html
15:09  * mmcgrath thinks dgilmore might be in a meeting.  We can get back to that.
15:10 < mmcgrath> .ticket 365
15:10 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #365 (mailman setup (project/hosted)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/365
15:10 < mmcgrath> jcollie has a $dayjob meeting but this bit is basically up and ready.  It really just needs a couple of people to make a test list, make sure we like it all.
15:10 < mmcgrath> then add it to the faq on how to request mailing lists
15:11 < mmcgrath> anyone have any questions / comments on that?
15:12 < ivazquez> Have we finalized on -list@ or @list.?
15:12 < mmcgrath> allrighty
15:12 < mmcgrath> going to be a short meeting I suspect.
15:12 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: afaik, no.
15:12 < ivazquez> Alright.
15:12 -!- jcollie_ [n=jcollie 161 210 6 122] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
15:13 < mmcgrath> we'll need to do that though, ivazquez mind bringing it back up on the list?
15:13 < ivazquez> Sure thing.
15:13 < mmcgrath> thanks
15:13 < mmcgrath> next ticket:
15:13 < mmcgrath> .ticket 395
15:13 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #395 (Audio Streaming of Fedora Board Conference Calls) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/395
15:13 < mmcgrath> jcollie's also been working on this so we can move it to next week.
15:14 < mmcgrath> next
15:14 < mmcgrath> .ticket 398
15:14 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #398 (elfutils `monotone' (mtn) error) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/398
15:14  * mmcgrath reads up on ticket.
15:15 < ivazquez> Have we talked to the mtn devs about this?
15:15 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: seems likely that we haven't
15:15 < mmcgrath> fun #monotone is #unavailable
15:15 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: I'll make a note in the ticket about that.  we can move it to next week for now and see what jcollie says.
15:16 < ivazquez> It's on oftc I think.
15:16 < mmcgrath> <nod>
15:16 < mmcgrath> alrighty, I've also had a request to bring up
15:16 < mmcgrath> .ticket 399
15:16 < ivazquez> Yup, oftc.
15:16 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #399 (Damned Lies setup change: Move cronned update-stats to a separate app server) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/399
15:16 < mmcgrath> glezos: whats up with that?
15:17 < glezos> Basically it's a task to reduce the load on our web servers, and to move to mysql
15:17 < mmcgrath> sounds like a win win win to me.
15:17 < glezos> move the stats update script to a different server
15:17 < glezos> The (3rd) server running the cronned script producing the stats will need to output some files in a place the web servers could access.. Not sure how to setup that, I'll need someone to help me out drive this
15:18 < mmcgrath> glezos: have you tried to convert the sqlite db's to mysql?  Or would we just start with a blank mysql and re-run the stats script?
15:18 -!- jsmith-away is now known as jsmith
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15:18 < glezos> mmcgrath: yeah, we can do that too in a clean environment, like described on comment #1.
15:19 < glezos> mmcgrath: I'll need a third app server with an NFS the other ones can readonly from.
15:19 < glezos> or something like that
15:19 < mmcgrath> we'll likely just run that on one of the servers that already has the environment on it.
15:19 < mmcgrath> similar to what we do for mirrormanager.
15:20 < glezos> ok
15:20 < gkrpan> what about an scp push to the remaining servers?
15:20 < mmcgrath> how much information / storage are we talking about pushing around?
15:20 < mmcgrath> both right now and this time next year?
15:20 < glezos> 3GB
15:20 < glezos> oops, wrong
15:20 < glezos> much less, sorry
15:20 < mmcgrath> 3GB, is that for dl or transifex?
15:21 < glezos> mmcgrath: we need the update script to produce the contents of http:.../POT/
15:21 < mmcgrath> how much space is that?
15:21  * glezos checking
15:21 -!- bpepple|lt [n=bpepple|@rrcs-70-61-160-147.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #fedora-meeting
15:21 < glezos> 600M
15:21 < mmcgrath> by tying ourselves to nfs we're pretty much committing to only hosting this information in PHX.
15:22 < mmcgrath> which is doable, but not desirable.
15:22 < mmcgrath> how often would this cron job run?
15:22 < glezos> mmcgrath: every 6-8 hours, however these files don't change often, so rsync will be fast.
15:23 < mmcgrath> k, its possible to do it with the rsync or nfs.  its 600M now, ohw much will it be next year at our current growth rate?
15:23 < glezos> mmcgrath: could become up to 3 times in the next year.
15:24 -!- rsc [n=robert fedora/rsc] has quit Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)
15:24 < mmcgrath> k, then we probably will just want to use an nfs store.
15:24 < mmcgrath> What time frame did you have in mind for these changes?
15:25 < glezos> mmcgrath: things work now, so I'm not in a hurry. But it will reduce the load on app1,2 a lot for ~1.5-2 hours each day
15:25 < mmcgrath> <nod>
15:25 < glezos> (or just one of them)
15:25 < mmcgrath> We can probably do that in the next month or so without issue.  I'd say try to get ahold of paulobanon or yingbull for some help.
15:25 < mmcgrath> anything else on that?
15:26 < glezos> thanks (eof)
15:26 < mmcgrath> solid
15:26 < mmcgrath> Alrighty, thats all the tickets we have
15:26 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Xen2 instabilities
15:26 < mmcgrath> So I still haven't heard back from anyone on whats going on with this, I finally got an oops capture though
15:27 < mmcgrath> skvidal has been kind enough to be on call the last couple of nights so I could sleep.  But it didn't crash so thats good.
15:27 < mmcgrath> we're keeping an eye on it though.
15:27  * skvidal thinks it did not crash B/C he was on call
15:27 < mmcgrath> that could very well be.
15:27  * skvidal is clearly a good luck charm
15:27 < skvidal> oh god
15:27 < mmcgrath> good luck :)
15:27 < mmcgrath> heh
15:27 < skvidal> this means I have to be on call forever
15:28 < mmcgrath> alrighty moving on....
15:28 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- FAS2
15:28 < mmcgrath> So toshio, ricky and I have been hitting FAS2 pretty hard core to strip ldap out and get it ready for a pre-beta release.
15:28 < mmcgrath> 1) we're basically back to the functionality of where we were with LDAP now.
15:28 < mmcgrath> 2) It will allow us to do a ton
15:28 < mmcgrath> and 3) its almost ready.
15:29 < mmcgrath> Expect an email over the next week to help us test.
15:29 -!- rsc [n=robert fedora/rsc] has joined #fedora-meeting
15:29 < mmcgrath> I'm hoping to package this as well, the installation process is quite simple, even getting shell account integration.
15:29 < mmcgrath> This will be of use to more people then just Fedora.
15:29 -!- wolfy [n=lonewolf fedora/wolfy] has joined #fedora-meeting
15:29 < mmcgrath> and thats really all I had for this week
15:29 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor
15:30 < abadger1999> 4) it's based on TG-1.0.4.3 and SA-0.4 so people need to test their apps on publictest10 so we can roll this all out concurrently :-)
15:30 < mmcgrath> what toshio said :)
15:30 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything else they'd like to talk about this meeting?
15:30 < mmcgrath> if not we'll close the meeting in 30
15:31 < mmcgrath> 10
15:31 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting Closed
15:31 < mmcgrath> thanks for coming everyone!

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