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Meeting Log - 2008-05-08



16:01 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Who's here?
16:01  * lmacken 
16:01 -!- TheorEPhysicist [n=jfghlynx 213 37 199 3 dyn user ono com] has joined #fedora-meeting
16:01 < skvidal> I still miss the days when warren and jeremy would fall off
16:01 < TheorEPhysicist> Hello, I have a question on Fedora, could someone help me?
16:01  * skvidal is here
16:01 < lmacken> skvidal: me too :)
16:01  * jeremy kicks skvidal
16:01 -!- mccann [n=jmccann nat/redhat-us/x-5e0d390b6441be74] has joined #fedora-meeting
16:01 < skvidal> TheorEPhysicist: ask in #fedora
16:02 < TheorEPhysicist> skvidal?a theoretical physicist?
16:02 < warren> I can still fall off for you.
16:02 < skvidal> TheorEPhysicist: you have a fedora question for a theoretical physicist?
16:02  * skvidal looks at spoleeba 
16:02 < mmcgrath> Alllrighty, lets get this party started.
16:03 < spoleeba> skvidal, im not a theorist
16:03 < TheorEPhysicist> no, so, I should move to annother channel?
16:03 < spoleeba> skvidal, in theory....im an experimentalist
16:03 < skvidal> TheorEPhysicist: yah
16:03 < skvidal> TheorEPhysicist: this channel is for meetings
16:03 < skvidal> not for general questions
16:03 < TheorEPhysicist> OK, thanks!!!!
16:03 < skvidal> TheorEPhysicist: try #fedora and/or ask for spoleeba - he's a physicist of sorts
16:04 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- F9 Release.
16:04 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=Fedora+9
16:04 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/25vzyu
16:04 < mmcgrath> so..
16:04 < mmcgrath> .ticket 421
16:04 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #421 (Fedora Mirror Space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/421
16:04 < mmcgrath> skvidal: how's archive look?
16:04 < skvidal> running fine
16:04 -!- notting [n=notting redhat/notting] has joined #fedora-meeting
16:04 < mmcgrath> how much is copied over there?
16:04 < skvidal> fc1 is on there
16:04 < skvidal> nothing else
16:04 < skvidal> b/c I can't get to the bits :)
16:05 < skvidal> f13 asked to wait until f9 is out b/c of bandwidth limits
16:05 < skvidal> only problem with archive right now is that it appears bu is blocking 873 at the router
16:05 < mmcgrath> huh?  really?
16:05 < mmcgrath> ah
16:05 < skvidal> but it is up
16:05 < skvidal> it is archive.fp.o and archives.fp.o
16:05 < skvidal> it just needs more bits
16:05 < mmcgrath> we'll want to get rid of one of those and decide which one is canonical.
16:06 -!- TheorEPhysicist [n=jfghlynx 213 37 199 3 dyn user ono com] has left #fedora-meeting []
16:06 < skvidal> we do?
16:06 < mmcgrath> yeah.
16:06 < skvidal> why not just leave both - they're just an alias
16:06 < mmcgrath> its confusing.
16:06 < skvidal> to whom?
16:06 < mmcgrath> and I've regreted stuff like that in the past.
16:06 < skvidal> okay
16:06 < mmcgrath> less is more :)
16:06 < skvidal> let me know which one you pick, I seriously have no preference
16:07 < mmcgrath> I'd say archive.  since its not downloads.fedoraproject.org
16:07 < mmcgrath> So right now there's 161G free on /pub
16:07 < skvidal> umm
16:08 < skvidal> what?
16:08 < skvidal> on pub of archive?
16:08 < skvidal> or pub of d.fp.o?
16:08 < mmcgrath> pub of the actual primary mirror.
16:08 < skvidal> ah
16:08 < skvidal> sorry
16:08 < skvidal> okay
16:08 -!- Gaaruto [n=Gaaruto atm91-2-82-241-141-128 fbx proxad net] has quit "++"
16:08 < skvidal> mmcgrath: should I wait until post-f9 to drop the other name  or just do it now?
16:09 < mmcgrath> It can wait
16:09 < mmcgrath> afaik
16:09 < mmcgrath> .421 is fine for space.
16:09 < mmcgrath> f13: would you mind closing that ticket?
16:09 < mmcgrath> .ticket 421
16:09 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #421 (Fedora Mirror Space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/421
16:09 < f13> oh yeah, I was going to get you a final bit count
16:09 < mmcgrath> if we need to we still have plenty of time to free up space on that box.
16:09 < f13> 114G    /pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/
16:10 < mmcgrath> <nod>
16:10 < mmcgrath> Ok, we'll move on to the next bit
16:10 < mmcgrath> .ticket 526
16:10 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #526 (Torrent Prep) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/526
16:11 < mmcgrath> f13: is this something you're going to do or just someone in rel-eng?  (or should someone from infra do it?)
16:11 < f13> debuginfo /huge/
16:11 < mmcgrath> its still group assigned.
16:11 < f13> mmcgrath: seth has done it in the past, as has skvidal
16:11 < skvidal> haha
16:11 < mmcgrath> skvidal: you up for that again this release?
16:11 < f13> leave it group assigned, I imagine we'll start uploading it tomorrow.
16:11 < f13> er whoops
16:11 < skvidal> the torrent?
16:11 < mmcgrath> k
16:11 < skvidal> sure
16:11 < f13> seth as has jeremy
16:11 < skvidal> f13: I liked the idea that I have done it as has me
16:11 < f13> I don't mind doing it, I should have clear decks tomorrow
16:11 < mmcgrath> I'm fine with either, I just wanted to make sure someone knows to do it if not I will.
16:12 < skvidal> umm
16:12 < f13> and could use an easy target.
16:12 < skvidal> when would that likely happen?
16:12 < skvidal> b/c I'm going to be visiting my mom this weekend
16:12 < skvidal> and I may or may not be close to a computer
16:12 < f13> skvidal: I was going to start around 10am EST
16:12 < f13> with the scps
16:12 < skvidal> which day?
16:12 < skvidal> tomorrow?
16:12 < skvidal> f13: oh can I ask another question?
16:12 < skvidal> f13: export bits?
16:13 < skvidal> do we need to set that up?
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16:13 < f13> skvidal: yes, tomorrow.
16:13 < skvidal> okie doke
16:13 < dgilmore> crap im here
16:13 < f13> RE Export bits, we can give them the projected final url for filing
16:13 < skvidal> okie doke
16:13 < f13> I'll need to do that tomorrow, is there a ticket for this?
16:13 < f13> (and is it assigned to me?)
16:14 < mmcgrath> f13: export bits?  No, is that just the "send the URl to legal for export compliance" thing?
16:15 < f13> mmcgrath: yes.
16:15 < mmcgrath> f13: I'll create a ticket right after the meeting if you haven't already and make sure it gets added to the SOP.
16:15 -!- rdieter is now known as rdieter_away
16:16 < f13> thanks
16:16 < mmcgrath> f13: so do you want me to leave
16:16 < mmcgrath> .ticket 526
16:16 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #526 (Torrent Prep) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/526
16:16 < mmcgrath> assigned to rel-eng?
16:16 -!- tibbs [n=tibbs fedora/tibbs] has quit "Konversation terminated!"
16:17 < f13> mmcgrath: please.
16:17 < mmcgrath> k
16:17 < mmcgrath> .ticket 528
16:17 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #528 (Release Day Links) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/528
16:17 < mmcgrath> We had a meeting about this yesterday, we'll make sure they're all on a wiki page somewhere and I'm going to spend some time on a script that actually creates static copies of this.
16:17 < mmcgrath> .ticket 389
16:17 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #389 (Monitor primary mirror) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/389
16:18 < mmcgrath> I don't think 389 is actually going to get done for F9, its not a blocker though so not a big deal.
16:18 < mmcgrath> .54 got moved until just after the change freeze for stability concerns.
16:18 < mmcgrath> .280
16:18 < mmcgrath> .ticket 280
16:18 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #280 (DHCP Server off of lockbox) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/280
16:18 < mmcgrath> is done, I'll close that now.
16:18 < mmcgrath> .ticket 333
16:18 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #333 (Add spam headers to bastion (smtp)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/333
16:19 < mmcgrath> is blocking on 54 and is also a just after F9 launches thing.
16:19 < mmcgrath> .ticket 411
16:19 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #411 (New Website Fedora - 9) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/411
16:19 < mmcgrath> This is in good shape, we won't close it until its actually live though.
16:19 < mmcgrath> .ticket 416
16:19 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #416 (Infrastructure Change Freeze) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/416
16:19 < mmcgrath> This has been fine.
16:20 < mmcgrath> f13: I saw some murmurings in #fedora-devel this morning about cd's, what was the final outcome of that?
16:20 < notting> we are respinning cd images as we speak
16:21 < mmcgrath> notting: so long story short, thats not as big of a deal as it first seemed?
16:21 < f13> mmcgrath: x86_64 and ppc split CDs are respinning, and will be re-uploaded
16:21 -!- GeroldKa [n=GeroldKa fedora/geroldka] has joined #fedora-meeting
16:21 < f13> mmcgrath: it's sitll a pretty big deal, and will cause a 0-day anaconda update to match what we hacked together here.
16:21 < mmcgrath> but as of right now we're still on schedule to release on the 13th?
16:22 < f13> yes
16:22 < mmcgrath> solid.
16:22 < mmcgrath> So thats really all I had related to the release.
16:22 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor (release stuff only please)
16:22 < mmcgrath> does anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss related to the release?
16:23 < mmcgrath> I'll take that as a no.
16:23 < mmcgrath> so next bit
16:23 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- mod_wsgi vs straight cherrypy
16:24 < mmcgrath> lmacken abadger1999 ricky: any thoughts on that?
16:24  * dgilmore is all for reliability
16:24 < abadger1999> I want mod_wsgi
16:24 < mmcgrath> I saw no tangible downside to doing this.
16:24 < lmacken> WSGI is the way to go, and mod_wsgi looks to have great benefits
16:24 < lmacken> it'll definitely put us in the right direction for adopting TG2 as well
16:24 < abadger1999> How do we restart pps under mod_wsgi?
16:24 < abadger1999> restart apache?
16:24 < abadger1999> s/pps/apps/
16:25 < mmcgrath> interestingly I found that lots of other of our applications could use the WSGI interface as well so we could at least have common configuration components that way.
16:25 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: yeah, just restart apache.
16:25 < abadger1999> Very nice.
16:25  * mmcgrath wonders if a graceful would work.
16:25 -!- wolfy [n=lonewolf fedora/wolfy] has left #fedora-meeting ["I fought the lawn, and the - lawn won!"]
16:25 < abadger1999> Okay... so the only drawback of that is that we'd have to restart all of the apps on a machine if we update one.
16:25 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: the other thing thats nice is we can control memory bloat through other means like limiting the number of requests a process will be allowed to run before restarting, etc.
16:26 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: :-)  That makes very happy
16:26 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: yes, with the exception of a graceful which, if I understand how it _should_ work... is something like this.
16:26 < abadger1999> <nod>
16:26 < mmcgrath> any http processes that are currently in use will be told to restart when they are done.
16:26 < mmcgrath> any process not in use is told to restart and it does so.
16:26 < abadger1999> There was also a startup cost, though?
16:27 < mmcgrath> so there should be no actual downtime.  The only thing is after httpd is restarted, the initial request to start the processes usually takes an additional 3-5 seconds because its actually starting turbogears.
16:27 < abadger1999> Ah.  3-5 seconds isn't bad.
16:27 < mmcgrath> the startup cost is pretty high but still not horrible.
16:27 < abadger1999> I'm all for this.
16:27  * lmacken too
16:28 < mmcgrath> especially since, in my tests, its only worth it to have the number of processes == the number of cpus you have so its not like a whole lot of them will be starting at once.
16:28 < mmcgrath> alrighty then, we'll deploy this right after F9 ships.
16:28 < mmcgrath> I'll stick what I have for fas.wsgi into the git repo with directions on how to get it going.
16:28 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: interested in helping me test it?
16:28 -!- petreu| [n=peter p3EE3E652 dip t-dialin net] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host)
16:28 < lmacken> what TG changes did you have to make to get it under mod_wsgi ?
16:28 < abadger1999> Sure.  Can we deploy it on a publictest box?
16:29 < mmcgrath> lmacken: none, I just had to create a fas.wsgi file that had the proper paths in it.
16:29 < lmacken> awesome
16:29 < mmcgrath> I didn't even have to alter the fas.cfg which is handy when testing the difference between the two.
16:29 < mmcgrath> you can overwride any option in your prod.cfg
16:30 < mmcgrath> makes it easy to deploy cherrypy vs wsgi without any changes... you can even run them both at the same time on the same box.
16:30 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: <nod>
16:30 < mmcgrath> alrighty, if no one has anything else there I'll move on to the next bit.
16:31 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- My Trip to PHX.
16:31 < mmcgrath> so I'm going to be going to PHX at some point right after F9 ships.
16:31 < mmcgrath> I'll also be deployin gthe new wiki sometime right after PHX ships.
16:31 < dgilmore> :)
16:31 < dgilmore> so we will have how many new builders?
16:31 < mmcgrath> its two major projects that will happen in a short time so if you see me being un responsive or sending you guys stuff to do... thats why.
16:31 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: not sure, however many are in that blade center.
16:31 < abadger1999> <nod>
16:32 < mmcgrath> I've also got a bunch of new servers coming in, at least 5 that I can think of right now (thats 5 not including whats in the blade center)
16:32 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: excellent.  i look forward to bringing them online
16:32 < notting> are we going to have a moin-is-dead release party?
16:32 < mmcgrath> notting: I sure hope so.
16:32 < dgilmore> notting: you get the pieces
16:32 < f13> more likea moin wake
16:32 < mmcgrath> I'm going to be replacing lockbox soon, as well as db1.
16:32 < dgilmore> :)
16:32 < mmcgrath> db3 is going to get brought up as a dedicated koji instance.
16:32 < mmcgrath> also we'll get 2 more application servers.
16:33 < mmcgrath> So... lots of stuff going on there.
16:33 < dgilmore> can we look at retiring hammer2, xenbuilder1 and ppc1
16:33 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: yeah, I was going to let those crazy old boxes die on their own but once the new blade centers are online we may decide to just get rid of them.
16:33 < mmcgrath> honestly as cheap as hammer2 is of a box, I can't believe its still going.
16:34 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: xenbuilder1 is the same hardware
16:34 < dgilmore> :)
16:34 < mmcgrath> yeah
16:34 < mmcgrath> they're both dirt old and somehow still kicking.
16:34 < mmcgrath> So does anyone have any concerns or comments or things they want me to do while I'm in PHX?
16:34 < dgilmore> ppc1 is only a few months younger
16:34 < mmcgrath> I'm not sure if it will be this trip or next but I'd like to move all of the buildsystem hardware into the same rack.
16:34  * dgilmore just wants the blades :)
16:35 < dgilmore> that would be nice
16:35 < dgilmore> though the bladecenter im assuming has a built in switch we will be using
16:35 < mmcgrath> Just so, if we decide to move it somewhere, we can easily say "yes, U4-19 of this rack is all the blade center gear, move it to the new $DATA_CENTER"
16:35 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: correct.
16:36 < mmcgrath> But after the new db3 is up and after we get xen2 dedicated to releng and build stuff we will have a complete separation of services of the build system from the rest of our services.
16:36 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: maybe look at it for the next trip
16:36 < mmcgrath> and thats a good thing.
16:36 < mmcgrath> alllrighty.
16:36 < dgilmore> move the ppc boxes and xenbuilder4 to the same place as the blade center
16:36 < mmcgrath> <nod>
16:36 < mmcgrath> So thats really all I had for this meeting
16:36 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor
16:36 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?
16:37 < mmcgrath> any noobs joining the team that want to say hi?
16:37  * dgilmore has been working on getting F-9 on the XO 
16:37 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: how's that going?
16:37 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: slowly
16:37 < f13> I've got aline on some hardware donations from Pogo, that I'm getting more information on
16:37 < dgilmore> we got a nasty hack to mack upstart work
16:37 < wfp> I guess I'd be the noob joining the team, hi!
16:37 < dgilmore> im going to try make it better before making notting cry
16:38 < mmcgrath> wfp: hello!
16:38 < dgilmore> hi wfp
16:38 < mmcgrath> wfp: want to say a little about yourself and what you're interested in doing?
16:38 < notting> dgilmore: why would i cry?
16:38 < wfp> I sent an into to the mailing list.  I've been doing SysAdmin and development for about 20 years now.
16:39 < wfp> (and why do I always mistype intro)  Anyhow, not sure what/where to help.  Just need to see what's needed.
16:39 < dgilmore> notting: it turns security off
16:40 < mmcgrath> wfp: well welcome.  hang out in #fedora-admin and get to know everyone and whats going on.  We're in a change freeze right now so not much actual admining is happening :)
16:40 < abadger1999> wfp: Welcome aboard!
16:40 < mmcgrath> Ok, well does anyone have anything else to discuss?  If not we'll close the meeting in 30
16:40 < mmcgrath> 20
16:40 < mmcgrath> q0
16:40 < mmcgrath> 10
16:40 < mmcgrath> 5
16:40  * skvidal likes q0
16:41 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting DOOM!
16:41 < mmcgrath> I mean, meeting end.
16:41 < mmcgrath> Alrighty everyone.  thanks for coming
16:41 < caillon> i'm gonna sing the doom song now!
16:41 < nirik> is that the new diet nyQuel with 0 calories?
16:41 < dgilmore> thanks mmcgrath

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