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Re: Planning a future L10N infrastructure (including Fedora)
- From: Mike McGrath <mmcgrath redhat com>
- To: Fedora Infrastructure <fedora-infrastructure-list redhat com>
- Cc: transifex-devel googlegroups com
- Subject: Re: Planning a future L10N infrastructure (including Fedora)
- Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:16:06 -0500 (CDT)
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008, Asgeir Frimannsson wrote:
> Hi infrastructure wranglers,
> (cc transifex-devel)
> Over the last few months, a few of us involved in Red Hat L10N engineering
> have discussed how to best ensure we have Localisation Infrastructure and
> Tools that can serve the needs of Red Hat, JBoss, Fedora and 'upstream'
> communities in years to come. Let me first describe some of the background and
> requirements behind this project:
> Up until now, we have managed translations through version control systems
> such as CVS, Svn and Git. This has ensured that all contributions are pushed
> upstream, as we always store translations within the upstream repositories and
> projects. 'Damned Lies' further gave us a tool to view language-specific
> translation statistics for modules, branches and releases, as well as
> convenient information about people, teams and projects. This has been a great
> help for translators in their work. Dimitris' (and others) work on Transifex
> has in addition given the translation community a way to submit translations
> upstream without ever touching a developer-centric version control system,
> which has been of great help to translators.
> Some of the immediate needs that could be addressed within the existing
> framework (some of which are on the Transifex roadmap) are:
> - Consolidation of Damned Lies and Transifex, allowing retrieving and
> submitting translations through the same interface
> - Allowing retrieving and submitting multiple-files at once (e.g. for
> translating a publican document with many PO files)
> - Simple workflow on top of Transifex (porting features from Vertimus)
> - Better usability and easier user registration process (Fedora specific)
> Transifex is gaining some traction upstream (e.g. within Gnome), and we hope
> development will continue strong, serving Fedora and potentially other
> upstream communities.
> Looking at the bigger picture, some of the core requirements we have identified
> for Red Hat and community L10N going forward are:
> - Customizable Translation Workflows and integration with e.g. Content
> Authoring Workflows
> - Infrastructure easily adaptable to support new File formats and project
> types (e.g. OpenOffice formats, CMS formats, DTP formats, Wiki, Dita, Java
> formats), rather than relying on 'upstream' projects to fit a certain L10N
> - Managing the life-cycle of a translation project across releases and
> - Translation Reuse and Terminology Management across projects and iterations
> - Job management, scoping, tracking and resourcing
> - Managing and/or Tracking upstream translation projects, pushing changes back
> These requirements require a system where the translation lifecycle would be
> managed within 'Translation Repositories' (similar to e.g. Pootle or Launchpad
> Translations), rather than directly through e.g. upstream version control
> systems. With a repository-based approach, we would be able to track and
> manage changes to a project on a translation unit level, and manage e.g.
> translation reuse and terminology within and across projects. We could still
> retain a link with upstream repositories (like with Transifex/Damned Lies).
> However, this would not be the 'core datamodel', but on a different layer
> through plug-ins. This link to external repositories could also go beyond
> traditional version control systems, communicating with external sources like
> wikis and CMSs.
I'd think much of what you're looking to do could be done in transifex
farily easily. I think some of it is already done and being done.
> We have evaluated a number of existing open source L10N frameworks and
> systems, but haven't found any (yet) that stands out or satisfies our needs or
> requirements as a development platform. Technology-wise, we are aiming to
> develop a Java-based(!) system, using technology such as JBoss Seam,
> Hibernate, jBPM and RichFaces. A java based platform will enable us to make
> best use of internal expertise in these technologies, as well as making use of
> technology we are developing (as open source) through collaboration with
> partners in the L10N industry.
> We hope some of these requirements and ideas will excite some of you, and
> ultimately lead to something that can be of use to open source communities.
> While we have certain requirements and goals for this internally within the
> company, there is no need for this to be an 'internal' Red Hat project, and
> most of the requirements and needs overlap with those of community projects
> like Fedora. In other words, by developing this in collaboration with the
> community from a very early stage, we are more likely to develop something
> that may be of use to the greater community.
> Thoughts and comments, all sorts of comments, are very welcome.
Please correct me if I'm reading this wrong but I see "transifex is great
or close to it" and "here's how we're going to build our own solution
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