Meeting Log - 2009-09-10

[Ricky Zhou]

19:59 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting
19:59 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 10 19:59:28 2009 UTC.  The chair is mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:59 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Meeting start!  Who's here?
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19:59  * mmcgrath is
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19:59  * nirik is hanging around
19:59  * skvidal is here
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20:00  * smooge raises his hand and says "Not Here"
20:00  * heffer is just lurking
20:00  * jpwdsm hangs out in the back
20:00 < mmcgrath> smooge: I think that logic just took some iq points from me.
20:00  * Oxf13  
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20:01 < mmcgrath> Ok, lets get started
20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Tickets
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20:01  * mdomsch here
20:01 < mmcgrath> Oh, and there's no meeting tickets.
20:01 < mmcgrath> that's easy
20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- IPv6
20:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- IPv6
20:01 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: want to take it quick on this one?  Mostly just about what problem we saw and what we did about it.
20:02 < mdomsch> 2 classes of problem
20:02 < mdomsch> 1 we can fix
20:02 < mdomsch> so we did.  we lowered the MTU for IPv6 packets, from 1500 to 1280
20:02 < mmcgrath> We do have one confirmed report that that seems to have fixed his/her problem
20:02 < mdomsch> apparently some packets were considered "too large" for some routers between our customers and us
20:02 < mdomsch> s/customers/users/
20:03 < mdomsch> hopefully that'll help
20:03 < mdomsch> problem 2: other routers dropping packets for unknown reasons
20:03 < mdomsch> 0xf13 may have been bit by this
20:03 < mdomsch> last I knew, this was progressing between Sprint and Indiana gigapop NOCs, or at least bouncing between them
20:03 < mmcgrath> well, in Oxf13's case his router was sending IPv6 info even though his router wasn't configured to use it.
20:04 < smooge> I have seen this for 'security reasons'. Various IPS sometimes think IPV6 is a security problem and will drop/degrade service
20:04 < mdomsch> if someone pops into #fedora-admin with questions, please try to help
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20:04 < mdomsch> moving on from problems
20:04 < mmcgrath> <nod>
20:04 < mdomsch> I'd like to get opentorrent built for el5
20:05 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: is it in Fedora already?
20:05 < mdomsch> it depends on libowfat which I branched for EL-5 but haven't finished the work of de-dietlibc-ing it
20:05 < mmcgrath> ah
20:05 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, and no, opentorrent is not in Fedora yet
20:05 < mmcgrath> k
20:05 < mmcgrath> that'll be another nice ipv6 service though
20:05 < mdomsch> that's the only other service we offer at ibiblio that we could serve on v6
20:06 < mmcgrath> <nod>
20:06 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: emails are still bouncing around about our glue
20:06 < mdomsch> everything else (cvs, git, ...) are in non-v6-capable data centers
20:06 < mmcgrath> but it'll happen eventually
20:06 < mdomsch> oh, and MM is ready to go
20:06 < mmcgrath> sweet
20:06 < mmcgrath> did we re-enable mirrors.fp.o for ipv6?
20:06 < smooge> mdomsch, I wonder if we could do a app6to4 proxy
20:06 < Oxf13> fwiw, I replaced my router's firmware with dd-wrt, so I shouldn't have this issue anymore
20:06 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, no we haven't yet
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20:07 < mdomsch> I need dgilmore to push the package to epel-testing :-)
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20:07 < mmcgrath> ah, of course :)
20:07 < mdomsch> smooge, we could, but it might be slow...
20:07 < mmcgrath> <nod> I worry about the performance people would see if we start running our own proxies.
20:07 < mmcgrath> but if people care enough about it we can look closer and see exactly what we're talking about
20:07 < mmcgrath> anywho
20:08 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: anything else on ipv6?
20:08 < mdomsch> that's all
20:08 < mmcgrath> sweet.
20:09 < mmcgrath> #topic Change Freeze
20:09 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Change Freeze
20:09 < dgilmore> mdomsch: ill do it now
20:09 < mmcgrath> The change freeze will start for the beta on the 29th
20:09 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: what are our odds of a slip?
20:10 < notting> ask after the blocker meeting tomorrow?
20:10 < skvidal> mmcgrath: statistically? :)
20:10 < Oxf13> mmcgrath: hard to say right now.
20:10 < mdomsch> skvidal, the last 2 full release cycles are outliers, and can be discareded
20:10 < mmcgrath> notting: will do
20:10 < skvidal> mdomsch: really? :)
20:11  * mmcgrath is just reminding everyone that a slip would be really really really bad 
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20:11 < mmcgrath> at least for Infrastructure
20:11 < mmcgrath> OK, moving on
20:11 < notting> mmcgrath: my 'finger in the air' estimate is that non-anaconda bits are in ok shape
20:11 < smooge> a slip means no Canada for smooge
20:11 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- qpidd
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20:12 < mmcgrath> J5: pnig
20:12 < mmcgrath> err ping even
20:12 < mmcgrath> .any lmacken
20:12 < skvidal> 2009-11-10 <-- and if we slip much we hit US thanksgiving
20:12 < zodbot> mmcgrath: lmacken was last seen in #fedora-meeting 16 hours, 12 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: *** lmacken has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
20:12 < J5> mmcgrath: pong
20:12 < mmcgrath> J5: any progress on the messaging stuff?
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20:12 < mmcgrath> lmacken: hey, just checking to see if there's any progress from you guys on the messaging stuff
20:13 < J5> mmcgrath: I ran into decoding structs issues which I am working on but I have python sending messaqes to js.  I just need ot get them decoded
20:13 < lmacken> hey, so yeah, I haven't deployed any Moksha/Fedora Community stuff to staging yet
20:13 < mmcgrath> <nod>
20:13 < mmcgrath> if there's nothing else we'll move on to the next topic
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20:15 < mmcgrath> Ok
20:16 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Fedora insight
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20:16 < mmcgrath> boo, just missed mchua
20:16 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: do you know anything about this?
20:16 < mmcgrath> last I checked fas auth was still not working
20:16 < mmcgrath> mizmo: you know anything?
20:16 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: Nope, haven't been followed the day-to-day, just the getting new features ready for the platform.
20:17 < mmcgrath> k, I'll follow up with mchua on that then.
20:17 < mmcgrath> zikula and qpid are the two major pushes I'm trying to get out.
20:17 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Smolt
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20:17 < mmcgrath> So I've spent much of my week working on smolt.
20:17 < mmcgrath> specifically database queries.
20:17 < mizmo> mmcgrath: a little bit
20:17 < mmcgrath> I've got the render-stats script in much better shape
20:18 < mmcgrath> mizmo: do you know what the status of the fas auth stuff on pt6 is?
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20:18 < mizmo> mmcgrath: i dont :( im just working on the css
20:18 < mmcgrath> K, no worries.
20:18 < mmcgrath> mizmo: thanks.
20:19 < mmcgrath> So on the smolt stuff, I've got a couple more changes to make and one final query (that happens to get run multiple times) to get figured out.
20:19 < mmcgrath> I'm hopeful that most of our smolt issues will go away after this
20:19 < lmacken> I hit some smolt wikifail the other day when trying to add a new page for some hardware
20:19 < smooge> just in time for a new code release
20:19 < mmcgrath> lmacken: how 'the other day' was it?
20:19 < lmacken> it ate my changes, so I got frustrated and gave up :)
20:19 < lmacken> mmcgrath: last night I think
20:20 < mmcgrath> couple of weeks back?
20:20 < mmcgrath> oh just last night
20:20 < mmcgrath> lmacken: I'll take a look.
20:20 < mmcgrath> K, anyone have any questions / concerns on that?
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20:21 < mmcgrath> k
20:21 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- 1667'
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20:21 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: was this you?
20:21 < mmcgrath> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1667
20:21 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1667
20:21 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1667 (BZ Component and Product Change Request) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1667
20:21 < mmcgrath> sorry :)
20:21 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: didn't we talk to that guy already?
20:21 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: I'm on it as much as anyone is.
20:22 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: It needs to go through fedora-docs before it gets handled by us.
20:22 < mmcgrath> I'm just wanting to verify that is something we need to do, that's not something the bugzilla admins do?
20:22 < mmcgrath> quaid: ping
20:22 < mmcgrath> stickster: ping
20:22 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: That part.... I think we may need both Fedora nad bz admin help.
20:22 < abadger1999> But I don't even know if we're actually going to be renaming yet.
20:22 < abadger1999> So I'm waiting on more docs input.
20:23 < mmcgrath> he seems very insistant on it at this point, even sent an email to admin at fp.o
20:23 < abadger1999> huh.  Since yesterday?
20:23 < mmcgrath> yeah, just a few minutes ago
20:23  * abadger1999 reads mail
20:23 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: we did communicate that to him yesterday right?
20:23 < stickster> mmcgrath: pong
20:23 < mmcgrath> stickster: who's in charge of docs these days/
20:24 < stickster> mmcgrath: Eric Christensen (Sparks)
20:24 < stickster> .fasinfo sparks
20:24 < mmcgrath> Sparks: ping
20:24 < zodbot> stickster: User: sparks, Name: Eric Christensen, email: eric at christensenplace.us, Creation: 2007-07-17, IRC Nick: sparks, Timezone: US/Eastern, Locale: en, Extension: 5102043, GPG key ID: BD0C14C1, Status: active
20:24 < zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: cla_done fedorabugs cvsfedora packager docs ambassadors cla_fedora sysadmin-test svnsecurityguide gitabout-fedora githomepage gitreadme gitreadme-live-image gitreadme-burning-isos gitfedora-wiki cmsadmin gitfedora-cms gitrpmguide svnaccessibility-guide gitamateur-radio-guide
20:24 < zodbot> stickster: Unapproved Groups: None
20:24  * stickster always forgets how... thorough zodbot is. 
20:24 < mmcgrath> ohh, a couple more and he'll be in the .more club with me :)
20:24 < stickster> heh
20:25 < mmcgrath> ok, I'll email Eric and see if he's ok with this
20:25 < abadger1999> Hmmm......
20:25 < mmcgrath> stickster: we're talking about - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1667
20:25 < abadger1999> Is dhensley == perspectival?
20:25 < mmcgrath> which seems to have come from nowhere but impacts the docs team?
20:25 < mmcgrath> .fasinfo dhensley
20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: User "dhensley" doesn't exist
20:25 < mmcgrath> .fas dhensley
20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: dsilas '' <dhensley at redhat.com>
20:25 < mmcgrath> .fasinfo dsillas
20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: User "dsillas" doesn't exist
20:25 < mmcgrath> .fasinfo dsilas
20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: User: dsilas, Name: None, email: dhensley at redhat.com, Creation: 2009-05-15, IRC Nick: silas, Timezone: None, Locale: None, Extension: 5130286, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fedora svndeployment-guide svnsecurityguide
20:25 < zodbot> mmcgrath: Unapproved Groups: None
20:25 < mmcgrath> boo, privacy flag.
20:26 < abadger1999> yep.
20:26 < stickster> mmcgrath: I'm not sure I understand what's going on there --
20:26 < stickster> mmcgrath: but
20:26 < abadger1999> Well, I'll email dhensley and ask if he's perspectival.
20:26  * mmcgrath pings in #fedora-docs
20:26 < abadger1999> And if not catch him up on the need to go through docs and then explain what's going on.
20:26 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: ok, thanks.
20:26 < stickster> It could be the way that Publican produces docs creates a certain package name, and they're looking for a component in BZ to represent the package
20:27 < Oxf13> they get that automatically when the package is brought into Fedora
20:27 < Oxf13> the /source/ package that is
20:27 < stickster> Oxf13: Right, maybe that's not fully understood?
20:27 -!- perspectival [n=perspect at nat/redhat/x-vdmeuktvoqccbdwz] has joined #fedora-meeting
20:27 < perspectival> hello
20:27 < mmcgrath> perspectival: are you dhensley?
20:27 < stickster> perspectival: We meet again! :-D
20:27 < perspectival> yes
20:27 < mmcgrath> we're talking about
20:27 < perspectival> I assume we're discussing the component/product change
20:27 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1667
20:27 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1667 (BZ Component and Product Change Request) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1667
20:28 < perspectival> right
20:28 < mmcgrath> yeah, no one in docs seems to know about it?
20:28 < mmcgrath> well, no one we've talked to (which isn't many yet)
20:28 < stickster> From yesterday, I thought that Sparks did know about this?
20:28  * stickster didn't see how the conversation ended
20:29 < perspectival> this name change was initially referenced on an internal email, and then Mike Hideo requested, in an email to me, that (verbatim):
20:29 < perspectival> "Can we change the component name to:
20:29 < perspectival> doc-Deployment_Guide for Fedora? "
20:29 < mmcgrath> perspectival: was Sparks ok with that?
20:29 < abadger1999> perspectival: Note, you're wanting to both change the name and change the product it's under.
20:29 < perspectival> I spoke to Sparks initially about this (2 days ago), and stickster was confusedly brought into it yesterday
20:29 < perspectival> yes
20:29 < perspectival> abadger1999: true
20:30 < quaid> mmcgrath: pong
20:30 < stickster> perspectival: It's OK, I'm used to being confused as quaid will tell you :-)
20:30 < perspectival> I have not spoken to Sparks about this again (he was away yesterday I believe)
20:30 < dgilmore> perspectival: if its in fedora it needs to go through a package review
20:30 < quaid> can haz fedora-docs-list plz
20:30 < abadger1999> dgilmore: It's not yet a package -- which is part of why I'm wondering why we want to moce it from the Fedora Documentation product to the Fedora product.
20:30 < mmcgrath> quaid: talking about
20:31 < mmcgrath> t.ticket 1667
20:31 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1667
20:31 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1667 (BZ Component and Product Change Request) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1667
20:31 < dgilmore> abadger1999: then it does not belong under fedora
20:31 < perspectival> I am not sure, and I'm sort of new to the Fedora documentation procedures, so I'll relay that to Mike and make sure my information is correct
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20:31 < quaid> mmcgrath: what I mean is ...
20:32 < quaid> asking Sparks on IRC is not the way to resolve the question of, "What does Docs intend here?"
20:32 < abadger1999> perspectival: <nod> In terms of moving forward, the important thing is for us to understand what fedora-docs wants out of this.
20:32 < mmcgrath> quaid: <nod>
20:32 < abadger1999> quaid: +1
20:32 < perspectival> ok
20:32 < mmcgrath> perspectival: can you email this ticket to the fedora-docs-list so everyone knows whats up?
20:32 < quaid> if mhideo doesn't want to join fedora-docs-list to discuss, by all means proxy for the reasoning.
20:32 < mmcgrath> there's two parts to this, one of them is getting sparks and team all aware and stuff, the other one is technical
20:32 < mmcgrath> which we're still not sure of 100%
20:33 < quaid> I have insight for #2
20:33 < quaid> i) create new bugzilla component (package needed)
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20:33 < quaid> ii) remove the item from owners.list & probably confirm that it's gone with note to BZ team
20:33 < mmcgrath> <nod>
20:33 < quaid> >2 folks have the edit for owners.list, so no blockage there likely :)
20:34 < abadger1999> iii) bugzilla team shifts open bug reports to the new bugzilla component
20:34 < mmcgrath> perspectival: you know what steps to take next?
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20:34 < quaid> abadger1999: yep, thx, that one too :)
20:34 < perspectival> I'm about to email fedora-docs list and CC mike
20:34  * quaid did all this recently, fwiw, so it does work
20:34 < stickster> quaid: good to know, excellent
20:34 < mmcgrath> perspectival: excellent
20:35 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have anything else for now?
20:35 < quaid> perspectival: sorry for any confusion; the Fedora deal is basically, work on it with the edge-focused team, they usually have people/processes in place to carry it onward
20:35 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything else on this?
20:35 < quaid> where carry == tell you who to contact next, what to do, etc. to enable individuals to achieve their own goals.
20:36  * quaid done now
20:36 < mmcgrath> Ok, moving on :)
20:36 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- The PHX move
20:36 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- The PHX move
20:36 < skvidal> why did I read that as the THX movie
20:36 < mmcgrath> smooge: did you get the meeting invite for Friday?
20:37 < smooge> I did
20:37 < smooge> I am trying to figure out when it is exaxctly as evolution has it down for 1800
20:37 < smooge> which would be rather late for people on the east coast
20:37 < mmcgrath> :)
20:38 < mmcgrath> smooge: well there's wiki pages for us to fill out as well
20:38 < mmcgrath> smooge: so lets get some of the stuff we've discussed moved over
20:38 < smooge> oh boy
20:38 < smooge> I want 10GB to each system and a pony
20:39 < mdomsch> and ipv6
20:39 < mmcgrath> hahah
20:39 < abadger1999> smooge: Better get stable boys too, a pony for each system will produce a lot of... ammonia
20:39 < mmcgrath> smooge: lets get the server count and amp count at least put up there.
20:39 < smooge> ah yeah..
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20:39 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: i want a rack full of sparc boxes :)
20:40 < smooge> mdomsch, could I ask a favor. I need an amp count for powervault and pe2950. I found max but not 'average'.
20:40 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else on that?
20:41 < mmcgrath> ok :)
20:41 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Open Floor
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20:41 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?
20:41 < smooge> reboot of bastion tomorrow
20:41 < smooge> it should be a couple of file changes and a reboot..
20:42 < smooge> upgrade/reboot of xen13 next week
20:42 < ricky> Ugh, I completely forgot, sorry
20:42 < mmcgrath> smooge: oh yes, excellent
20:42 < smooge> that will also cause some reboots
20:42 < smooge> actually I was thinking of combining them
20:42 < smooge> since bastion1 will need to be rebooted twice :)
20:42 < mmcgrath> I think both will be 0 impact, we'll see :)
20:42 < dgilmore> i did all the builders over the weekend
20:43 < dgilmore> except xenbuilder4
20:43 < ricky> xen13 already has reboots often enough but thankfully we're setup so that we don't notice them outside
20:43 < smooge> dgilmore, other than logwatch.. did you notice anything?
20:44 < dgilmore> smooge: nope
20:44 < dgilmore> it was very smooth
20:44 < dgilmore> i did have to exclude net-snmp*
20:44 < smooge> ?
20:44 < dgilmore> but thats due to needing to rebuild it to work in the builder environment
20:45 < dgilmore> smooge: it links to rpm
20:45 < dgilmore> but we bumped rpm
20:45 < smooge> ah so it should not affect other boxes
20:45 < dgilmore> nope
20:45 < smooge> or did everything get the newer rpm
20:45  * Fedora-Angel is away: I'm busy
20:45 < smooge> slow typing makes smooge a poor psort
20:45 < dgilmore> smooge: just builders releng boxes have a different rpm
20:46 < smooge> dgilmore, thanks
20:46 < mmcgrath> k, anyone have anything else?
20:46 < mmcgrath> If not we'll close the meetings in 30
20:47 < mmcgrath> ok
20:47 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting
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