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FWD: iDEFENSE: Upcoming OpenSSH Security Advisory Announcement

	Hello, FL people,

	does anybody know details about this vulnerability?


: From: Richard Johnson <thief bugtraq org>
: To: full-disclosure lists netsys com, bugtraq securityfocus com, vuln-dev securityfocus com, vulnwatch vulnwatch org, misc openbsd org
: Subject: [Full-Disclosure] iDEFENSE: Upcoming OpenSSH Security Advisory Announcement
: Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 11:51:12 -0400
: iDEFENSE Security Advisory 05.03.04:
: http://www.idefense.com/advisory/05.03.04.txt
: Upcoming OpenSSH Preauthentication Vulnerability Announcement
: May 3, 2004
: There is an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability that we're working on with
: the OpenBSD Crew.  Details will be published early next week.
: However, I can say that when OpenSSH's sshd(8) is running with priv
: seperation, the bug cannot be exploited for immediate root access. 
: OpenSSH 3.3p was released a few years ago, with various improvements
: but in particular, it significantly improves the Linux and Solaris
: support for priv sep.  However, it is not yet perfect.  Compression is
: disabled on some systems, and the many varieties of PAM are causing
: major headaches.
: However, everyone should update to OpenSSH 3.8 immediately, and enable
: priv seperation in their ssh daemons, by setting this in your
: /etc/ssh/sshd_config file:
: 	UsePrivilegeSeparation yes
: Depending on what your system is, privsep may break some ssh
: functionality.  However, with privsep turned on, you are immune from
: at least one remote hole.  Understand?  Being immune from at least one
: remote bug is worth broken functionality, especially when the software
: suffers from additional remote bugs.
: 3.8 does not contain a fix for this upcoming bug.
: If priv seperation does not work on your operating system, you need to
: work with your vendor so that we get patches to make it work on your
: system.  OpenSSH developers are swamped enough without trying to 
: support the myriad of PAM and other issues which exist in various 
: systems.  For more information regarding the OpenBSD Crew's struggle 
: with PAM issues, please read: 
:   http://www.openssh.com/txt/sshpam.adv
: Basically, OpenSSH sshd(8) is something like 27000 lines of code.  A
: lot of that runs as root.  But when UsePrivilegeSeparation is enabled,
: the daemon splits into two parts.  A part containing about 2500 lines
: of code remains as root, and the rest of the code is shoved into a
: chroot-jail without any privs.  This makes the daemon less vulnerable
: to attack.  Less vulnerable is better than more vulnerable, and we 
: hope that someday the OpenBSD team can make things not vulnerable.
: Threat elimination is more important than threat reduction, after all.
: Apparently the OpenBSD Crew has been trying to warn vendors about 3.8
: and the need for privs sep to be in use.  Since priv sep has existed 
: for many years, and still is not used in 100% of deployed OpenSSH
: installations, the world is doing this marvelous team of cryptography
: experts and emerging mediocre programmers a world of discredit.  Some
: developers, like Alan Cox, have reprotedly gone even further stating
: that privsep was not being worked on because "Nobody provided any info
: which proves the problem, and many people dont trust you theo" and
: suggested that Theo "might be feeding everyone a trojan". The official
: OpenBSD Crew's response to this allegation can be seen here:
:   http://www.openssh.com/txt/sshpam.adv
: HP's representative has thusfar been downright rude, and we anticipate
: that he will be removed from his position at the company in the near 
: future for the negative attention that he is bringing to the company, 
: and the lack of lucrative security PRODUCT and RESEARCH to the market.
: Only the Solar Designer seems to think priv sep is a good idea, since 
: historically he has been fond of developing security solutions
: following known flawed models in the hopes of making exploitation of
: security issues harder but not impossible, putting security back into
: the hands of hackers and out of the hands of scriptkids and security 
: consultants.
: iDEFENSE recommends either using OpenBSD, Openwall Linux (Owl), or
: Microsoft Windows.  All other operating systems are insecure.
: So, if vendors would JUMP and get it working better, and send the 
: OpenBSD Crew patches IMMEDIATELY, we can perhaps make a better 3.9 
: release on Friday which supports all systems better.  So please send
: patches to them IMMEDIATELY so progress can be made.  Then on Tuesday
: or Friday the complete bug report with patches (and year old exploits,
: we are sure) will hit BUGTRAQ(tm).
: Let me repeat: even if the bug exists in a privsep'd sshd, it is not
: exploitable.  Clearly we cannot yet publish what the bug is, or
: provide anyone with the real patch, but we can try to get maximum
: deployement of privsep, and therefore make it hurt less when the
: problem is published.
: If you doubt the sincerity of this claim, please review the following
: case study and included references to the security of a privilage 
: separation enabled open secure shell daemon's unbreakable status.
:   http://www.phrack.org/phrack/60/p60-0x06.txt
: So please push your vendor to get us maximally working privsep patches
: as soon as possible!!!!
: We've given most vendors since Friday last week until Thursday to get
: privsep working well for you so that when the announcement comes out
: next week their customers are immunized.  That is nearly a full week
: (but they have already wasted a weekend and a Monday).  Really I think
: this is the best we can hope to do (this thing will eventually leak,
: at which point the details will be published).
: Customers can judge their vendors by how they respond to this issue.
: OpenBSD and NetBSD users should also update to OpenSSH 3.8 right away.
: On OpenBSD privsep works flawlessly, and I have reports that is also
: true on NetBSD.  All other systems appear to have minor or major
: weaknesses when this code is running.
: We would urge the OpenBSD Crew to remake the OpenSSH Security page
: ( http://www.openssh.com/security.html ) to make it less confusing. 
: It would serve the public interest much better if the page listed 
: specifically what versions are affected by which bugs, making it clear
: which versions bugs were introduced in, and which versions said bugs 
: have been fixed in.  The current listing is too difficult to process,
: and listing what versions are no longer vulnerable to a particular 
: known issue seems silly, since one would hope that the most recent
: available version of a security PRODUCT would not suffer from any 
: published and widely known security problems.
: If you or your organization would like to purchase advanced details
: of this vulnerability, please contact sales idefense com with your
: inquiry.
: We at iDEFENSE would like to thank Kurt Seifried, consultant and 
: "OUTSIDE_INTEL" operative/analyst (and SECURITY EXPERT) for all his
: hard and profound work for us.  Also we would like to applaud him for
: his brilliant work on translating the English translations of the CORE
: Impact documentation to better English; a most impressive addition to
: any resume is being able to brag of being a contractor for multiple
: goverment contractors, because frankly - he is just that damn good.
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: Paul Cassell

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