how to get started with helping the project [...]

[Jim Popovitch]

On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 10:59 -0600, Eric Rostetter wrote:
>
> Okay, you want "better documentation about the process and procedures" but
> I really don't know what that means.  Can you define what you mean in
> simple, bullet type style?

Yes, and I will do so over the weekend as previously stated.

> I'm confused how you separate "better docs" from "more clarification so
> that more people can actually do things to help out."  The point of 
> better docs would be to clarify things, no?

There is a need for good documentation as others have pointed out.
Simply saying "login to bugtraq and search" or "test then post a verify"
isn't enough.  OK, so I've not provided a complete replacement for the
existing documentation, that doesn't mean there isn't room for
improvement.  Prior to me raising the issue, the main FL participants
thought the documentation was good enough.

> You seem determined to thwart any progress on the issues you have raised.
> I simply don't understand your tactics.

My tactics are this:  IMHO what I see now, wrt FL, isn't suitable for a
production environment where systems require robustly tested patches in
a timely fashion.

FL caused me to be forced to remove PHP from my users due to the PHP
support fiasco that ensued here.  I am not going to sit idly by waiting
for an SSH or FTP vulnerability to see if FL has matured.

I have three choices:

  1) Insist that FL matures and becomes more structured and reformed.
      (in the works, needs more support)

  2) Move to another distribution.
      (under consideration internally, but honestly quite drastic) 

  3) Roll our own patches/updates
      (doesn't scale well on nights and weekends)

-Jim P.