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Re: Fedora and the System Administrator



David Chait wrote:
> The difference of course is, Debian offers a stable release life of over 2
> years prior. That is hardly as aggravating as making a major migration
> potentially twice a year. I think you will find very few orgs willing to
> deploy Fedora under those conditions, and even fewer able to justify paying
> for RHEL being that it is quite expensive compared to other options.

Does Debian have stated planned lifetimes before a release ever hits
testing? Or is Debian's appearance of stability, more a result of their
development model just taking as long as it takes. Can you plan to
update your debian systems 1 year out or 2 years out from today? Right
now do you know when the next debian stable will be available? Debian IS
different, but in fundamentally different ways than you seem to
understand. Debian has a very different idea about time based releases.
Debian builds in some minimal timing buffers into how testing is
done....but they also have some particular ideas about there being a
maximum number of bugs allowed in the bug que before testing can be
frozen into stable.  It's probably a bit of a stretch to call it a plan
or a schedule in the sense that you know when things are actually going
to move out of testing.  And if you think about it...the maximum number
of bugs in the que is sort of contradictory to the idea of stability
(the more development effort goes into testing...the faster the bugs get
fixed...the shorter time it takes for a release to get out of
testing..shorting lifetime for the current stable as a result) 

Right now..if you install debian stable...you don't have any idea about
how long that current stable will be supported. You don't know when to
expect the next stable...you don't know how long of a period the debian
devs will promise to support an older stable during the overlap period
right after a new stable comes out. Debian's release plan comes down to
the classic motto: "When its ready". Is "when it's ready" something your
organization is prepared to accept as a release schedule for new stable
releases for production systems?  Debian stable does have a long
lifetime. And if you install debian stable the first day or first couple
of months when its available, you can probably be pretty sure yer going
to get a couple of years of life out of it....but if you install the
current stable right now, how long of a life time do you have do you
think? more importantly do you know?
www.debian.org:
      * The next release of Debian is codenamed `sarge' -- no release
        date has been set 

I suggest everyone interested in extending the lifetime of Fedora
Core...and willing to contribute to such an extention...to take a real
hard long look at Fedora Legacy. Getting all those people who are
interested in contributing to the Legacy effort to at least raise their
hand so they can be counted..would probably go a long way in the
discussion as to how much and for how long Legacy can tackle the EOL
issue. Fedora Legacy is there for a reason, whether or not any specific
person or organization is prepared to make Fedora Legacy a workable
solution that caters to their needs..is a choice. 

-jef"I think everyone should be more appreciative that Fedora has a
stated EOL policy and a stated release schedule...the fact that this
project does have a plan and a schedule means you can actually make
informed choices based on your needs...good choices and right choices
though are hard and contradictory endeavors"spaleta

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