[OT] Re: Replacing Microsoft Exchange

Rudolf Kastl che666 at gmail.com
Thu Aug 11 12:08:11 UTC 2005


take a look at vtiger (google is your friend) ... it has all groupware
functionality and quite a bit more...

the outlook (outbreak haha) connector is open source...

regards,
Rudolf Kastl
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2005/8/11, Craig White <craigwhite at azapple.com>:
> On Wed, 2005-08-10 at 21:00 -0400, Tom Diehl wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Les Mikesell wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 2005-08-10 at 15:39, Craig White wrote:
> > >> Outlook LDAP integration is
> > >> deliberately crippled on non ADS setups. Outlook IMAP support is
> > >> deliberately crippled. So the insistence on using Outlook as the client
> > >> application and getting open source to remedy deliberately crippled
> > >> features on a program whose API's are deliberately not made available
> > >> seems to ignore the reality of the marketplace.
> > >
> > > What versions of outlook have problems with LDAP and IMAP?  I've
> > > used it installed for internet mode don't remember problems
> > > with outlook2000 with sp1 or newer.  The personal calendar
> > > even works with emailed meeting requests.  The big missing part
> > > is support for shared calendars and being able to see other's
> > > free/busy times.
> > >
> >
> > All of them!! Even when it works the UI changes enough for use with imap
> > that most users will complain about it, at least initally. Users will
> > complain because their imap mail is in a different tree than their
> > pop3 mail was. Outlook's imap client has numerous bugs that cause
> > problems with a lot of imap servers. Just look at the courier imap
> > or other imap server mailing list archives for examples.
> >
> > Outlook has a lot of bugs in it, that AFAIK M$ has no interest in fixing.
> > Unfortunately it is also the crack most people were sold first, so they
> > do not know any better and are reluctant to change.
> ----
> This is not Linux stuff so I have marked this off-topic. I probably
> should refuse to take the bait but we obviously have 2 people (Thomas
> and Les) who use and like Outlook with Exchange server.
> 
> This all pertains to using Outlook without Exchange server...
> 
> Outlook IMAP issues that I have found:
> - won't save sent mail to any place other than 'Personal Folders/Sent
> Items' - not a configurable option
> - won't save drafts to any place other than 'Personal Folders/Drafts' -
> not a configurable option.
> - ignorant of namespace issues on IMAP server (to be fair, Evolution
> behaves identically)
> - IMAP connections are always locally copied and cached - not a
> configurable option.
> - IMAP connections often time out and you have to adjust (configurable
> option) the time before it times out.
> - IMAP boxes (pst files), don't roam in profiles unless you force them
> to be in other than the standard location. When you roam them, they
> create nasty 'prf' files which grow large and take long times to sync
> back and forth for the roaming profile.
> 
> Outlook LDAP Issues (non-exchange issues)
> - cannot write to LDAP
> - entries don't show up in Contacts or in Address Book. They can only be
> 'found' in searches.
> - doesn't support wildcard searches
> - using LDAP has garnered little interest in my clients who use Outlook,
> it's too clumsy for them to use and of minimal purpose.
> 
> Now the real issue with Outlook is - PST files. They suck. Microsoft
> doesn't care to fix the issue. I consider .pst files to be Microsoft's
> sick joke on those who are suckered into using it as when they explode
> (and they most surely explode), you lose everything, your calendar, your
> contacts, your sent mail, etc.
> 
> Lastly - as an administrator that has users running with minimal
> permissions...just importing or exporting data requires you insert the
> CD to install the feature - even if you 'installed everything' when you
> originally installed it which means that I must log out, log in as
> Administrator, fake Outlook into the export to install the feature, log
> out, log in again as the user before I can import or export. They punish
> administrators for being careful just to make sure that if you moving
> data in/out, that you have the original CD. I find that to be a
> refreshing reminder of how 'fragile' my data is and that Microsoft wants
> me to understand that they control my access to my data.
> 
> Sure - at one time (I think it was Outlook 98), I was seduced - now, I
> just say no to Outlook. FWIW - the only mail I have ever lost on a
> computer has been to Outlook on Windows and (not mine but a client's)
> Entourage (Microsoft's single blob message store equivalent on a Mac).
> 
> This of course, is one probably under-informed opinion.
> 
> Craig
> 
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