Livna Usability Assessment Assessment
Robin Laing
Robin.Laing at drdc-rddc.gc.ca
Wed Nov 16 20:06:32 UTC 2005
Andy Green wrote:
> Robin Laing wrote:
>
>
>>I do agree that rpm is not the best things for installing software due
>>to dependencies but it would be nice to see a listing of what packages
>
>
> Well to be clear rpm itself is really good IMO. Trying to acquire rpms
> individually when there is a cluster of dependent ones is what sucks and
> perhaps unfairly has the name "rpm Hell". RPM in combination with a
> depsolver like yum is really pretty good!
Better said of what I was thinking.
>
>
>>are available on livna via a web browser. Yesterday I typed in yum
>>provides gdb and it took almost an hour to get the results. This is
>>only an example but a listing of packages would be nice.
>>
>>It would give me the option to download the rpm or to enable livna and
>>then use yum.
>
>
> If you get stuck with a slow mirror it can take ages. I just tried it
> and it finished in around 1 minute.
>
Or a slow network or whatever is causing problems today. At home it
was very quick.
>
>>Sometimes I am looking for something weird and I find an answer on
>>Google but it doesn't help if I cannot find the package. Livna may have
>>the package but I cannot do a simple search of the site to know.
>
>
> Yep.
>
>
>>How about a link from the package that opens a download page that
>>explains the benefits of Yum over straight rpm. Including links to the
>>various setup files and a howto to setup and user yum for noobs.
>
>
> I think up2date is still exerting a confusing influence over people new
> to Fedora. Hopefully soon enough something with a similar UI based on
> "yum inside" will replace it and the Add/Remove packages app and the
> confusion will go away.
>
> -Andy
>
I got rid of up2date while still using FC1 as I couldn't stand that
stupid flashing icon on the desktop. I use yumex (in extras) as a
package manager as it give me more control than just "yum update all"
I can see what packages and quickly read the description to see if I
should think about deleting it instead.
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