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[Andy Green]

Peter Gordon wrote:
> Andy Green wrote:
>> No, that is simply not true.  Where is the Gnome kate?
> 
> gedit? Scribes? Bluefish?

gedit I know, it is not kwrite or kate.  I will look at the other two.

>> [...] How can I make multiple panes in nautilus?
> 
> Tabs, as I understand it, are a usability hindrance
> (application-centric vs. document/work-centric), and so are
> recommended against by the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines.

Hehe well I reject this orthodoxy, since I exploit the multiple panes to 
increase my usability despite gnomic gnome people telling me it is a 
'hinerance' in their opinion.

>> Can I make a konsole inside the nautilus frame that retains pwd
>> context?
> 
> Install the nautilus-open-terminal package, then right click
> someplace in the open directory in Nautilus and select the "Open
> Terminal Here..." option.

Not the same.  In konqueror, you can grow a sizable pane in the main app 
frame that is a full konsole.  As you move between directories in the 
graphical part, it injects cd commands into the konsole.

>> [...] (If there is a way to do the equivalent in Gnome, I will be
>> grateful to be educated)
> 
> gnome-vfs uses sftp:// has a URI type for these files, not fish://.
> Try: `gedit sftp://user@server/index.html` or something similar.

Hey that worked, very good!

The File Open dialog can't handle it though, and the KDE one handles 
fish:// seamlessly.  You can navigate remote filesystems over ssh as if 
they were local in the normal file open dialog in KDE.

>> I can sum up the TRUE schism between Gnome and KDE: Gnome hackers
>> know C.  KDE hackers know C++.  Over time that holds back Gnome,
>> advances KDE, and all the while Redhat ignore it they only damage
>> themselves.
> 
> That's not necessarily true. Many cool new GNOME applications and
> plugins are written in higher-level languages like Python and
> C#/Mono.

My proposition is that KDE hackers know C++ and Gnome hackers know C: 
that other bindings exist perhaps suggests that C is not the be all and 
end all.  Anything that C++ can do can be emulated in C, but C++ 
engenders a different and more developed methodology which I see coming 
out in KDE.

-Andy