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Re: [Way OT] Re: How NSA access was built into Windows



On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 03:25 -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 02:48 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> 
> > I've had friends sent to prison for things that damn well shouldn't be
> > illegal (and aren't illegal by any basic reading of the US
> > Constitution -- but you can't convince a dipshit judge of that).  I
> > saw enough from visiting them to come to the conclusion that even
> > fairly low-security imprisonment was quite awful.
> > 
> > > Only a few live like that when you consider that 2.7 million are
> > > locked up.
> > 
> > Yep, sadly the US prison system could use McDonald's slogan: "Billions
> > served."
> > 
> > > The vast majority serve time in Medium or Minimum custody. Those
> > > will be released if they keep their noses clean, so they do. Ric
> > 
> > The vast majority of those in US prisons have no business being there
> > in the first place, under any level of custody.  Certainly Phil
> > Zimmermann wouldn't have belonged there for writing software any more
> > than most others who have committed no real crimes (other than to break
> > laws that fly in the face of the written constitution that the
> > government supposedly derives its power from).
> > 
> > Sorry to go so far off topic.  I just happen to get fairly agitated
> > about governments locking people up.  Actually, I just get agitated
> > about governments in general, as I find them useless parasites of the
> > human race. :)
> 
> So do I, my friend. So do I. That's the reason for my project. Establish
> a baseline, educate the deviance's that are below the baseline until
> they are upped to an acceptable level and then let them go. Let the
> computer assist making the decision and take humans with prejudices out
> of the loop. Abolish structured sentencing and actually assist people to
> fix themselves. And then, hopefully be released back to an also educated
> society that forgives... not so much for the offender, but for their own
> enlightened sakes. Our Government does not always seem to rule us with
> Wisdom, instead fear and secrecy is used. That is not what was intended.
> It's what an entire revolution was about. 
> 
> "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
> Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
> — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
> deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That
> whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
> the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new
> Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its
> powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their
> Safety and Happiness."
> 
> Sounds like fighting words to me. The bitch, as both Gene and Bruno
> mentioned, is that bit about deriving their just powers from the consent
> of the governed. If we allow, we have consented. If we do nothing, we
> get exactly that. Ric


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