Volume Control use

[David Boles]

on 6/22/2007 3:42 PM, Karl Larsen wrote:
> David Boles wrote:
>> on 6/22/2007 2:50 PM, Karl Larsen wrote:
>>   
>>> David Boles wrote:
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>>>> on 6/22/2007 1:29 PM, Karl Larsen wrote:
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>>>>       
>>>>> David Boles wrote:
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>>>>>> on 6/22/2007 5:04 AM, Karl Larsen wrote:
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>>>>>>           
>>>>>>> David Boles wrote:
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>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>> on 6/21/2007 7:23 PM, Tim wrote:
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>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 12:59 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>     
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>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>     If you have either F7 or F6 with all the updates you will have a 
>>>>>>>>>> Volume Control that is broken. When you click it up if your in the Alsa 
>>>>>>>>>> mixer mode you on the right side a Microphone listed on the Playback 
>>>>>>>>>> tab. This is wrong and if you look at the device below the Mike it shows 
>>>>>>>>>> a speaker!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     To use this bad system first turn up the Master and Master Mono to 
>>>>>>>>>> the top and set Mike to the top. Now click File and select the TriTech 
>>>>>>>>>> OSS Mixer. 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>> Firstly, that "TriTech" bit only refers to your hardware.  People with
>>>>>>>>> different sound hardware will see something different.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Second, make a damn bugzilla report.  We've all heard the same story
>>>>>>>>> from you several times, this week.  We know about it by now, you're not
>>>>>>>>> doing anything constructive about it.
>>>>>>>>>     
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>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>> Karl - Please read this and listen. I am not writing this to be mean or
>>>>>>>> insulting in any way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have had FC-3, FC-4, FC-5, FC6, and FC-7 all installed one after the
>>>>>>>> other. At the same time I have always had rawhide (the development branch
>>>>>>>> of Fedora) installed too.  And my mixers/volume controls have all worked
>>>>>>>> just fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I really think that your problems are either your hardware or Pebkac.
>>>>>>>> Really. And if I had to bet I would bet on Pebkac.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>     Hi and first I have no idea what Pebkac is. I will try the man 
>>>>>>> pages. Second, the problem is NOT my hardware. This same hardware works 
>>>>>>> just fine if you don't upgrade the gstream software on FC6.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Finally it is not just my problem. There have been many on this list 
>>>>>>> say they see the same thing on F7. What your complaining about was an 
>>>>>>> effort I made to tell those using the Volume Control how to do it. And 
>>>>>>> yes most people have just one sound card. That being said how I wonder 
>>>>>>> do you adjust the mike gain?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>> Pebkac - _p_roblem _e_xists _b_etween _k_eyboard _a_nd _c_omputer.  ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It means that you don't know, don't understand, or both, what you are
>>>>>> doing. Which can be dangerous to your installation. You are using what is
>>>>>> called the 'shotgun' method. What does that mean? Think about using a
>>>>>> shotgun to try to kill a single housefly buzzing around your living room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can understand you frustrations. Truly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Gnome-Volume-Control, as you have been told by several people, has
>>>>>> absolutely nothing to do with audio volume. What does that mean? that you
>>>>>> are trying to solve your problem but twiddling with the wrong package.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From what you are describing you are looking at a KDE GUI audio mixer
>>>>>> application. And that I can not help you with because I do not use KDE.
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>       
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>>>>>     David. In several cases I have called it the Gnome Volume Control. I 
>>>>> have today filed a bug. We do not need to beat this old horse again. It 
>>>>> is being worked on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>> Well in that case I wish you luck. I use GNOME as my desktop and do not
>>>> have KDE, or any other desktop installed. All I can tell is that mine
>>>> works. The red 'X's you mentioned switch on and off with a single, simple
>>>> mouse click. And setting them on or off affects if the device they control
>>>> works or doesn't work.
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>       
>>>     Well David don't keep us in suspense, what version of Fedora and did 
>>> you apply all upgrades?
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>>     
>> You really want to know? Sure. It, what you are having problems with, has
>> worked, for me, with FC-4, FC-5, FC-6, and Fedora 7. All the release
>> installs and with all the updates applied as they were released.
>>
>> It also works, again for me, in Rawhide.  Rawhide is the development
>> branch that eventually turns into the next release version. Rawhide
>> updates daily, Several 100 megs daily is a normal update for Rawhide.
>> Sometimes more. Sometimes less. It varies. Normal is four kernels a week
>> as an example.
>>
>>   
>     Well that's a good story. Please let me be one who doesn't believe 
> you. This is because there are now 3 people working on the bug I wrote 
> today! I doubt that those working on the bugs are more stupid than you?
> 
>     As for me, a simple PHD in EE in 1958, I have no idea how to fix 
> this problem. But playing with rawhide strikes me as not a good idea.
> 
> Karl
> 

You asked and I politely answered your question. I also said that I have
not had the problem, never did, that you are having. And you called me a liar.

Have a nice day.

-- 

  David

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