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I am kind of new at this,but to the two people that are struggling with
the installation of Fedora 9, it is simpler to install it straight from
the website.  I've never tried to install it with a disk




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>    1. Re: arping (Patrick O'Callaghan)
>    2. Re: Fedora 9 asking for disc 1 on dvd install
>       (Patrick O'Callaghan)
>    3. Re: Evolution: my sent folder just disappeared.
>       (Patrick O'Callaghan)
>    4. Re: Fedora 9 asking for disc 1 on dvd install (Phil Savoie)
>    5. Re: Fedora 9 asking for disc 1 on dvd install (Frank Cox)
>    6. Re: avahi-daemon issues cont. (Gerhard Magnus)
>    7. wget problem (Paul)
>    8. Re: sudo GUI frontend (David)
>    9. ATI driver on F9 (Patrick Kaiser)
>   10. Re: wget problem (Patrick Kaiser)
>   11. Re: xmodmap map key to right mouse click. (g)
>   12. Re: Linux Outlaws (Armin)
>   13. Re: Fedora 9 asking for disc 1 on dvd install (g)
>   14. Re: Linux Outlaws (g)
>   15. Re: How to search the Fedora List (Aldo Foot)
>   16. Re: Linux Outlaws (g)
>   17. Re: Linux Outlaws (Aldo Foot)
>   18. Re: wget problem (Paul)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:25:58 -0430
> From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <pocallaghan gmail com>
> Subject: Re: arping
> To: fedora-list redhat com
> Message-ID: <1219272958 3519 176 camel bree homelinux com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 15:59 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 23:01 +0930, Tim wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 13:30 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > > > Is there any arping available for a FC7 ?
> > > 
> > > I don't have 7 installed on anything, anymore, but 9 has two arping
> > > commands.  One in /sbin/ the other in /usr/sbin/.  Neither of which is
> > > in the search path for ordinary users.  Try looking for yours in there.
> > But only /sbin/arping is used by default. So it is strange that there
> > are two of them.
> 
> One is a symlink to the other.
> 
> poc
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:29:26 -0430
> From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <pocallaghan gmail com>
> Subject: Re: Fedora 9 asking for disc 1 on dvd install
> To: fedora-list redhat com
> Message-ID: <1219273166 3519 179 camel bree homelinux com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 18:03 -0400, Phil Savoie wrote:
> > Trying to load F9 on a compaq R3000.  Gets to the resolving
> > dependencies 
> > section then pops out my dvd asking for the first cd.  I pop it back
> > in 
> > and click on ok and then it tells me that it is the incorrect disk
> > and 
> > so now I am in a loop.
> > 
> > I don't have emerald slippers to click three times while I mumble "I 
> > wish you would install", so would anyone have any ideas on this?
> 
> Sounds like you have the wrong ISO image burned to your DVD. Perhaps you
> burned the first CD image by mistake?
> 
> poc
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:31:47 -0430
> From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <pocallaghan gmail com>
> Subject: Re: Evolution: my sent folder just disappeared.
> To: fedora-list redhat com
> Message-ID: <1219273307 3519 180 camel bree homelinux com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 15:41 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 22:34 +0000, g wrote:
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > > 
> > > 
> > > linuxguy wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > I will do this when I get my Sent folder back.   Right now it isn't
> > > > present in EV to do this.
> > > 
> > > if you are adventurous, you can try what i did a few years back with ev.
> > > 
> > > with a file browser, locate your 'sent' folder, open with a text editor.
> > > then manually save to a new file, 'sent00'.
> > > 
> > > open 'sent00', page down about half way into it, back up to start of a
> > > message. then delete messages to end, save as a new file name, 'sent01'.
> > > 
> > > reopen 'sent00', page down to message you started of message you started
> > > you delete from, delete back to start of file, save as 'sent02'.
> > > 
> > > rename original 'sent' file to 'sent.org', open a terminal, or command shell,
> > > touch 'sent' to create a new 'sent'.
> > > 
> > > look at associated files of 'sent', create them for 'sent01' and 'sent02'.
> > > 
> > > reopen ev and you should now have an empty 'sent' plus a new 'sent01' and
> > > 'sent02'.
> > > 
> > > there may be an easier way, but this did work for me.
> > ----
> > I found that emacs gagged on 2Gb files and had to use vi for files of
> > this size but it was painful.
> > 
> > You can use the 'split' command (man split for details).
> > 
> > you could conceivably split the file into 8 pieces and thus only lose 8
> > e-mails.
> 
> I'm pretty sure formail (part of the procmail package) can do this
> safely.
> 
> poc
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:06:56 -0400
> From: Phil Savoie <psavoie1783 rogers com>
> Subject: Re: Fedora 9 asking for disc 1 on dvd install
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <48ACA390 8010900 rogers com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 18:03 -0400, Phil Savoie wrote:
> >> Trying to load F9 on a compaq R3000.  Gets to the resolving
> >> dependencies 
> >> section then pops out my dvd asking for the first cd.  I pop it back
> >> in 
> >> and click on ok and then it tells me that it is the incorrect disk
> >> and 
> >> so now I am in a loop.
> >>
> >> I don't have emerald slippers to click three times while I mumble "I 
> >> wish you would install", so would anyone have any ideas on this?
> > 
> > Sounds like you have the wrong ISO image burned to your DVD. Perhaps you
> > burned the first CD image by mistake?
> > 
> > poc
> > 
> Not unless the first cd is 3.3gb in size,
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:15:21 -0600
> From: Frank Cox <theatre sasktel net>
> Subject: Re: Fedora 9 asking for disc 1 on dvd install
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Cc: Phil Savoie <psavoie1783 rogers com>
> Message-ID: <20080820171521 6b0dcc35 theatre sasktel net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:06:56 -0400
> Phil Savoie <psavoie1783 rogers com> wrote:
> 
> > Not unless the first cd is 3.3gb in size,
> 
> Are you sure you got an un-corrupted copy of the image that you burned to the
> DVD?
> 
> -- 
> MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:20:15 -0700
> From: Gerhard Magnus <magnus agora rdrop com>
> Subject: Re: avahi-daemon issues cont.
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <1219274415 4959 4 camel PuteB SMAssociates com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 15:54 -0700, Gerhard Magnus wrote:
> > When avahi-daemon is started during booting, I get this message:
> > 
> > Starting avahi daemon... Timeout reached while waiting for return value.
> > Could not receive return value from daemon process.  FAILED
> > 
> > Then the system comes up normally. According to system-config-services,
> > avahi-daemon is enabled and dead.
> > 
> > Fedora documentation says:
> > 
> > Avahi is an implementation of zeroconf and is useful for detecting
> > devices and services on local network without a DNS server. This is also
> > the same as mDNS. Most users may have this disabled. Please note that in
> > order to use the networked audio functionality of pulseaudio you will
> > need Avahi enabled.
> > 
> > I would like to use the networked audio functionality of pulseaudio --
> > and in the process perhaps come to understand the black hole of
> > pulseaudio itself :)  So any ideas as to how to get avahi-daemon working
> > or at least how to troubleshoot this problem further?
> > 
> > Thanks for the help! --Jerry
> > 
> OK, after thrashing about for awhile I tried something "obvious":
> 
> root PuteB Wed Aug 20 16:10:25
> [199] /home/magnusg $ /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon restart
> Shutting down Avahi daemon:                                [  OK  ]
> Starting Avahi daemon...                                   [  OK  ]
> 
> which seems to work. But what's going on? Is the system starting
> services in the wrong order? Do the other boxes on the network have to
> be operational first for avahi-daemon to come up during booting?
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:22:37 +0100
> From: Paul <paul all-the-johnsons co uk>
> Subject: wget problem
> To: fedora-list <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <1219274557 26684 59 camel PB3 Linux>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to grab all of the .zip files from www.urbanfonts.com using
> wget.
> 
> If I use flashgot, it will work for the page I'm on, but the output from
> flashgot doesn't tell me which options are used?
> 
> All of the files are in the form of xyz.php?fontname.zip.
> 
> Any ideas on how to get them easier than doing every page with flashgot?
> 
> TTFN
> 
> Paul
> -- 
> Sie knnen mich aufreizen und wirklich hei machen!
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:13:52 -0400
> From: David <dgboles gmail com>
> Subject: Re: sudo GUI frontend
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
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> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Wednesday 20 August 2008 12:05:34 Gilboa Davara wrote:
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> Can anyone please point me to a good sudo GUI front-end? (Password
> >> dialog box).
> >> While I'm using KDE 4.1, I don't mind using a gtk box.
> >>
> >> I tried using kdesu with or w/o the kdesurc - but it doesn't seem to
> >> work.
> >>
> > '/bin/su -' does work, though in some cases you will need to add $u (or is 
> > it %U?).  I like a root konsole profile, so I used it there, with a different 
> > display colour for clarity :-)
> 
> 
> I have my user prompt in bright white and my root prompt in bright red.
> 
> - --
> 
> 
>   David
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:29:07 +0200
> From: Patrick Kaiser <patrick argonius de>
> Subject: ATI driver on F9
> To: fedora-list redhat com
> Message-ID: <20080820232907 GA11674 argonius de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hi,
> 
> since I installed F9 on my new desktop with an ATI Radeon 3600, I was
> still waiting for the ATI driver update, because of "problems" with the
> newest Xorg version.
> Finaly, today there was a release on ATI site
> (http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html)
> 
> Just tried it out, but there is also the same error. Does anyone knows
> more, when there will be a compatible driver from ATI for the newest
> Xorg version? 
> I do not really want to downgrade my Xorg version. :(
> 
> Greets, Patrick
> 
> -- 
> 
> Patrick Kaiser
> 
> URL: http://argonius.de
> EMail: patrick kaiser argonius de
> RIPE: PK3264-RIPE
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:31:01 +0200
> From: Patrick Kaiser <patrick argonius de>
> Subject: Re: wget problem
> To: paul all-the-johnsons co uk, For users of Fedora
> 	<fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <20080820233101 GB11674 argonius de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:22:37AM +0100, Paul wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm trying to grab all of the .zip files from www.urbanfonts.com using
> > wget.
> > 
> > If I use flashgot, it will work for the page I'm on, but the output from
> > flashgot doesn't tell me which options are used?
> > 
> > All of the files are in the form of xyz.php?fontname.zip.
> > 
> > Any ideas on how to get them easier than doing every page with flashgot?
> > 
> > TTFN
> > 
> > Paul
> > -- 
> > ???Sie knnen mich aufreizen und wirklich hei machen!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -- 
> > fedora-list mailing list
> > fedora-list redhat com
> > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> do you have a complete list of the fontnames? Then you can try it in a
> loop?
> 
> Greets
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Patrick Kaiser
> 
> URL: http://argonius.de
> EMail: patrick kaiser argonius de
> RIPE: PK3264-RIPE
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:38:16 +0000
> From: g <geleem bellsouth net>
> Subject: Re: xmodmap map key to right mouse click.
> To: korgull home nl, For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <48ACAAE8 8040203 bellsouth net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
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> 
> Marcel Janssen wrote:
> <snip>
> > xmodmap -e "keycode 116 = Pointer_Button3"
> 
> i thought 'button 3' was equivalent to 'center button'
> 
> > After using xev, this key shows "Pointer_Button3" but it doesn't trigger a 
> > right mouse button event.
> > 
> > Anyone having an idea how to make it work ?
> 
> have a look at these:
> 
> /usr/share/X11/xkb/compat/mousekeys
> 
> then give a look at;
> 
> control center > regional & accessibility > keyboard shortcuts > \
>   global shortcuts > miscellaneous > mouse emulation
> 
> control center > peripherals > mouse > mouse navigation
> 
> 
> 
> - --
> tc,hago.
> 
> g
> .
> 
> in a free world without fences, who needs gates.
> 
> learn linux:
> 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition'   http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
> 'The Linux Documentation Project'   http://www.tldp.org/
> 'HowtoForge'   http://howtoforge.com/
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:43:31 -0300
> From: Armin <feng shaun gmail com>
> Subject: Re: Linux Outlaws
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <200808202043 31712 feng shaun gmail com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> On Wednesday 20 August 2008 19:00:12 Tom Horsley wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:46:29 +0000
> >
> > g <geleem bellsouth net> wrote:
> > > you did not mention better part of page;
> > >
> > > http://gizmodo.com/5035456/blue-screen-of-death-strikes-birds-
> nest-during
> > >-opening-ceremonies-torch-lighting
> >
> > Ah, that's almost certainly explained by it being a pirate
> > copy of windows without the Microsoft Genuine Advantage :-).
> hmmm how about me getting 2 of those in one day with vista?  and, 
> well, it came on my comp, so it should be genuine! :)
> 
> -- 
> Armin
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:46:14 +0000
> From: g <geleem bellsouth net>
> Subject: Re: Fedora 9 asking for disc 1 on dvd install
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <48ACACC6 90400 bellsouth net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
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> 
> Phil Savoie wrote:
> <snip>
> > Not unless the first cd is 3.3gb in size,
> 
> when did you pull it?
> did you run 'sha1sum'?
> did you run media check?
> 
> 
> - --
> tc,hago.
> 
> g
> .
> 
> in a free world without fences, who needs gates.
> 
> learn linux:
> 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition'   http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
> 'The Linux Documentation Project'   http://www.tldp.org/
> 'HowtoForge'   http://howtoforge.com/
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:48:11 +0000
> From: g <geleem bellsouth net>
> Subject: Re: Linux Outlaws
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <48ACAD3B 6050102 bellsouth net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
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> 
> Armin wrote:
> <snip>
> > hmmm how about me getting 2 of those in one day with vista?  and, 
> > well, it came on my comp, so it should be genuine! :)
> 
> i bet that is what chinese are saying about now.
> 
> 
> - --
> tc,hago.
> 
> g
> .
> 
> in a free world without fences, who needs gates.
> 
> learn linux:
> 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition'   http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
> 'The Linux Documentation Project'   http://www.tldp.org/
> 'HowtoForge'   http://howtoforge.com/
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:50:55 -0700
> From: "Aldo Foot" <lunixer gmail com>
> Subject: Re: How to search the Fedora List
> To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<3d22fc520808201650sa59ec2diab81f3f367a077ac mail gmail com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
> <pocallaghan gmail com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 17:43 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote:
> >> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Aaron Konstam <akonstam sbcglobal net> wrote:
> >> > Searching the Fedora List came up in another thread. I thought this
> >> > important enough information to have a thread of its own. See web link
> >> > below:
> >> > http://marc.info/?l=fedora-list&r=1&w=2
> >>
> >> The link is useful.
> >> But I believe it would be an improvement to the Fedora archives to add
> >> a search box.
> >> I'd be easier to find info. I know I can use Fedora's "Find", but how come
> >> this very active list does not have a better search mechanism; why resort
> >> to goggle? not that there's anything wrong with it.
> >
> > Speculating here, but it could be because the lists are managed with
> > Mailman. If you look around, very few MM lists have search boxes,
> > basically because it requires hackery to set up (MM doesn't come with
> > any search funcionality). Even the mailman-users list itself doesn't
> > have its own search function! (See
> > http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030520)
> >
> > poc
> >
> 
> Fair enough. The link you provided answered the 'why' of my question.
> Something good came ouf of the discussion for me so far: adding Markmail
> to my search bar.
> 
> ~af
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:52:56 +0000
> From: g <geleem bellsouth net>
> Subject: Re: Linux Outlaws
> To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <48ACAE58 2080304 bellsouth net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
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> g wrote:
> <snip>
> > i bet that is what chinese are saying about now.
> 
> thinking about opening show, i bet last torch runner is glad control system
> did not have a 'blue screen'.
> 
> then again, that one may have been a linux system.
> 
> 
> 
> - --
> tc,hago.
> 
> g
> .
> 
> in a free world without fences, who needs gates.
> 
> learn linux:
> 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition'   http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
> 'The Linux Documentation Project'   http://www.tldp.org/
> 'HowtoForge'   http://howtoforge.com/
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:55:40 -0700
> From: "Aldo Foot" <lunixer gmail com>
> Subject: Re: Linux Outlaws
> To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list redhat com>
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> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:07 PM, g <geleem bellsouth net> wrote:
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> > Tom Horsley wrote:
> > <snip>
> >> Ah, that's almost certainly explained by it being a pirate
> >> copy of windows without the Microsoft Genuine Advantage :-).
> >
> > what? you think the chinese would use illegal copies?
> >
> 
> Nahhhh! why when you can buy a $500 piece of software for $99?
> It's still paid for, right?
> 
> ~af
> 
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> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:42:33 +0100
> From: Paul <paul all-the-johnsons co uk>
> Subject: Re: wget problem
> To: fedora-list <fedora-list redhat com>
> Message-ID: <1219275753 26684 62 camel PB3 Linux>
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> Hi,
> 
> > do you have a complete list of the fontnames? Then you can try it in a
> > loop?
> 
> 'fraid not - the names are stored somewhere on the site and added as a
> $POST (by the look of it) when you click on the link...
> 
> TTFN
> 
> Paul


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