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Re: No gdb?

Linuxguy123 wrote, On 12/12/2008 01:15 PM:
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 18:03 +0000, dexter wrote:
2008/12/12 Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123 gmail com>:
gdb without *debuginfo* is also useless to a bug report and they get
big pretty quick so I say no gdb for normal folk.
How big is big ?  Hard drives are cheap these days, right ?
true, but bandwith & media sizes are also a factor.

Yes and no...
Bandwidth: most of us with broadband connections will pay the same gdb
or no.  For Fedora, I understand that server bandwidth might be an
issue, but I think most of Fedora is served via mirrors.

Media sizes: DVDs don't cost a lot more than CDs.   I am VERY excited
about installing on USB sticks. 4GB sticks are pretty affordable.

I think you missed the point about the *debuginfo*
kernel-	08-Dec-2008 14:07 	 19M
kernel-debuginfo-	08-Dec-2008 14:19 	249M	

kdebase-4.1.3-2.fc10.i386.rpm	25-Nov-2008 14:53 	5.6M	
kdebase-runtime-4.1.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm	25-Nov-2008 14:53 	5.7M	
kdebase-debuginfo-4.1.3-2.fc10.i386.rpm	25-Nov-2008 14:53 	 27M	
kdebase-runtime-debuginfo-4.1.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm	25-Nov-2008 14:54 	 14M	

Now how many packages did you install?
how many are giving you trouble that you need to debug them?

I understand the convince thing of having gdb+debuginfo already installed, but for folks who are:
a) happy running a system that never gives them a problem
b) just into running their system and will not be bothered to put in a BZ
c) are rarely running into problems that would kick an error where gdb+debuginfo is useful

having *_ALL_* of the debuginfo's installed is a waste of their machine's hard drive and sometimes memory, update bandwidth, and always their time away from wesnoth waiting for the download.

What would probably be useful is:
a) have the KDE applet which spit out Anne's "it couldn't create a bug report, as gdb is not installed.", get some _more_ intelligence added such that it might suggest (on a fedora system) 'please execute as root `yum install gdb kdeThingThatBroke-debuginfo`, so that next time this happens we can provide a full bug report.'
[Note, I believe Anne already knew about that, but other folks could benefit.]

Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane)
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

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