On Friday 12 December 2008 19:09:29 Todd Denniston wrote: > Linuxguy123 wrote, On 12/12/2008 01:15 PM: > > On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 18:03 +0000, dexter wrote: > >> 2008/12/12 Linuxguy123 <linuxguy123 gmail com>: > >>>> gdb without *debuginfo* is also useless to a bug report and they get > >>>> big pretty quick so I say no gdb for normal folk. > >>> > >>> How big is big ? Hard drives are cheap these days, right ? > >> > >> true, but bandwith & media sizes are also a factor. > > > > Yes and no... > > > > Bandwidth: most of us with broadband connections will pay the same gdb > > or no. For Fedora, I understand that server bandwidth might be an > > issue, but I think most of Fedora is served via mirrors. > > > > Media sizes: DVDs don't cost a lot more than CDs. I am VERY excited > > about installing on USB sticks. 4GB sticks are pretty affordable. > > I think you missed the point about the *debuginfo* > kernel-22.214.171.124-134.fc10.i586.rpm 08-Dec-2008 14:07 19M > kernel-debuginfo-126.96.36.199-134.fc10.i586.rpm 08-Dec-2008 14:19 249M > > kdebase-4.1.3-2.fc10.i386.rpm 25-Nov-2008 14:53 5.6M > kdebase-runtime-4.1.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm 25-Nov-2008 14:53 5.7M > kdebase-debuginfo-4.1.3-2.fc10.i386.rpm 25-Nov-2008 14:53 27M > kdebase-runtime-debuginfo-4.1.3-1.fc10.i386.rpm 25-Nov-2008 14:54 14M > > Now how many packages did you install? > how many are giving you trouble that you need to debug them? > > I understand the convince thing of having gdb+debuginfo already installed, > but for folks who are: > a) happy running a system that never gives them a problem > b) just into running their system and will not be bothered to put in a BZ > or > c) are rarely running into problems that would kick an error where > gdb+debuginfo is useful > > having *_ALL_* of the debuginfo's installed is a waste of their machine's > hard drive and sometimes memory, update bandwidth, and always their time > away from wesnoth waiting for the download. > > What would probably be useful is: > a) have the KDE applet which spit out Anne's "it couldn't create a bug > report, as gdb is not installed.", get some _more_ intelligence added such > that it might suggest (on a fedora system) > 'please execute as root `yum install gdb kdeThingThatBroke-debuginfo`, so > that next time this happens we can provide a full bug report.' > [Note, I believe Anne already knew about that, but other folks could > benefit.] > Except that I only got it half-right - so that prompt would have been *very* useful. However, it seems that there is 'No package kded4-debuginfo available', so what now? Anne
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